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Rei on 15 November 2009

@ Kenryoku_Maxis:

FFXIII's battle system is as different from previous FF games as it can get. The game's main character is, first time in 15 years, a female. So I dont really see your point.

And it's not just FF that is in decline sales-wise, most estabilished jRPG franchises are, including Pokemon. Tales of franchise has been in decline sales-wise ever since Symphonia, it's not getting any new fans either. As for Persona - I dont think it makes much differense if it sells 450k copies instead of 400k, this series is completely niche and irrelevant, always has been.



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reaver_x on 15 November 2009
Rei said:

@ Kenryoku_Maxis:

FFXIII's battle system is as different from previous FF games as it can get. The game's main character is, first time in 15 years, a female. So I dont really see your point.

And it's not just FF that is in decline sales-wise, most estabilished jRPG franchises are, including Pokemon. Tales of franchise has been in decline sales-wise ever since Symphonia, it's not getting any new fans either. As for Persona - I dont think it makes much differense if it sells 450k copies instead of 400k, this series is completely niche and irrelevant, always has been.

umm most handhelds RPG sell very well wat are u talking about and pokemon declining??? seriously??? as for persona i will never think of that series as irrelevent or niche. Persona 4 is one of the best RPG's i have ever played a true masterpiece in my book.




 

 

                     

invetedlotus123 on 15 November 2009
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
As much as I don't like it, Final Fantasy seems to appeal most to its fans when it is trying to alter itself more and more. Trying to create an entirely new game engine, setting and story from the ground up.

Sadly, it doesn't look like FFXIII is doing that much. Every new announcement and every new image just looks like they're trying to do something from the past games, but with a new coat of paint. I'm not surprised when a new person comes out and feels a little annoyed or even mad with how FFXIII is turning out, because it does just look like a conglomeration of FFVII, VIII and XII all mixed together with new characters and names.

However, to keep using this excuse of 'oh JPOP and Japanese culture sucks' to get angry at the game is just getting sad. What do you think created the game for the last 20 years? What do you think the game is heavily INFLUENCED by? Try doing some research people.

So we have people & blogs saying FF13 is breaking FF tradition & is too different

on the other hand we have people saying its the same style & basically a recycled FF8, FF7 & FF10 (which happen to be the popular ones...don';t blame them for going back to  that style)

then we have people saying it should go back to its roots ala, FF9, FF1 - FF4 & so on (Of which FF9 & FF12 {medieval setting wise anyway} in a way did & both underperformed compared to FF8,7,10....even though other factors played a role here)

I can't help but be confused here

Maybe we should all just take comfort in the fact that most FF 'fans' end up buying the game reguardless of how it turns out.  But the problem is, FF 'fans' have been dwindling.  Its not like a series such as Dragon Quest, which has had stable fans for 20 years, or Persona or Tales, which have been gaining fans since its conception.  Final Fantasy has actually been losing fans ever since FFVIII.  It needs to find its identity again and try to gain new fans.  Plus, there's always the argument that its just saturated itself so much that people are losing interest in the series (something like 45 games in the last 4 years would make even the most ardent FF fan get a little weary of the series).

But as for how FFXIII is really going to compare to the previous games, we'll probably just going to have to see.  That's just how it looks to me.  From looking at all the battle system, characters and etc.  Perhaps when you weigh the storyline and setting, it might be very different.  But to me, the core of a good RPG is the gameplay and characters...so if they're more of less recycled from the previous entries, I feel fans might feel a little cheated, as Final Fantasy's major draw is its progession and always trying to change its battle engine/characters in every entry.

Actually I love the idea of FFXIII being a tribute to the FFVII,FFVIII and FFX. Since we already had many tributes to the 2d games with FF IX and XII, we had many re-releases and remakes for them as well. So, they can make an homage to 2d FF and can't do it with 3d ones? Being a tribute is pretty different them trying to emulate all of them. VII,VIII and X created new roots to come back, different from the nes/snes games.



Rei on 15 November 2009
reaver_x said:
Rei said:

@ Kenryoku_Maxis:

FFXIII's battle system is as different from previous FF games as it can get. The game's main character is, first time in 15 years, a female. So I dont really see your point.

And it's not just FF that is in decline sales-wise, most estabilished jRPG franchises are, including Pokemon. Tales of franchise has been in decline sales-wise ever since Symphonia, it's not getting any new fans either. As for Persona - I dont think it makes much differense if it sells 450k copies instead of 400k, this series is completely niche and irrelevant, always has been.

umm most handhelds RPG sell very well wat are u talking about and pokemon declining??? seriously??? as for persona i will never think of that series as irrelevent or niche. Persona 4 is one of the best RPG's i have ever played a true masterpiece in my book.


Yes, seriously, go check Red/Green/Blue sales and compare them to most recent Pokemon.



reaver_x on 15 November 2009
Rei said:
reaver_x said:
Rei said:

@ Kenryoku_Maxis:

FFXIII's battle system is as different from previous FF games as it can get. The game's main character is, first time in 15 years, a female. So I dont really see your point.

And it's not just FF that is in decline sales-wise, most estabilished jRPG franchises are, including Pokemon. Tales of franchise has been in decline sales-wise ever since Symphonia, it's not getting any new fans either. As for Persona - I dont think it makes much differense if it sells 450k copies instead of 400k, this series is completely niche and irrelevant, always has been.

umm most handhelds RPG sell very well wat are u talking about and pokemon declining??? seriously??? as for persona i will never think of that series as irrelevent or niche. Persona 4 is one of the best RPG's i have ever played a true masterpiece in my book.


Yes, seriously, go check Red/Green/Blue sales and compare them to most recent Pokemon.

sigh

the sales shown there are for red/blue or diamond/pearl together thats why its so high compared to platnium. If u think for a minute that heart gold/soul silver together are gonna sell less than platnium ur sadly mistakin.




 

 

                     

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Rei on 15 November 2009
reaver_x said:
Rei said:
reaver_x said:
Rei said:

@ Kenryoku_Maxis:

FFXIII's battle system is as different from previous FF games as it can get. The game's main character is, first time in 15 years, a female. So I dont really see your point.

And it's not just FF that is in decline sales-wise, most estabilished jRPG franchises are, including Pokemon. Tales of franchise has been in decline sales-wise ever since Symphonia, it's not getting any new fans either. As for Persona - I dont think it makes much differense if it sells 450k copies instead of 400k, this series is completely niche and irrelevant, always has been.

umm most handhelds RPG sell very well wat are u talking about and pokemon declining??? seriously??? as for persona i will never think of that series as irrelevent or niche. Persona 4 is one of the best RPG's i have ever played a true masterpiece in my book.


Yes, seriously, go check Red/Green/Blue sales and compare them to most recent Pokemon.

sigh

the sales shown there are for red/blue or diamond/pearl together thats why its so high compared to platnium. If u think for a minute that heart gold/soul silver together are gonna sell less than platnium ur sadly mistakin.

Did you really not get my point or are you just joking around? I meant a comparison between Red/Green/Blue and Diamond/Pearl.



darthdevidem01 on 15 November 2009
Rei said:

@ Kenryoku_Maxis:

FFXIII's battle system is as different from previous FF games as it can get. The game's main character is, first time in 15 years, a female. So I dont really see your point.

And it's not just FF that is in decline sales-wise, most estabilished jRPG franchises are, including Pokemon. Tales of franchise has been in decline sales-wise ever since Symphonia, it's not getting any new fans either. As for Persona - I dont think it makes much differense if it sells 450k copies instead of 400k, this series is completely niche and irrelevant, always has been.

FALSE

Pokemon as a sales franchise is on the rise this gen

Pkemon Diamond/Pearl have sold more than emerals/Ruby



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey

Rei on 15 November 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
Rei said:

@ Kenryoku_Maxis:

FFXIII's battle system is as different from previous FF games as it can get. The game's main character is, first time in 15 years, a female. So I dont really see your point.

And it's not just FF that is in decline sales-wise, most estabilished jRPG franchises are, including Pokemon. Tales of franchise has been in decline sales-wise ever since Symphonia, it's not getting any new fans either. As for Persona - I dont think it makes much differense if it sells 450k copies instead of 400k, this series is completely niche and irrelevant, always has been.

FALSE

Pokemon as a sales franchise is on the rise this gen

Pkemon Diamond/Pearl have sold more than emerals/Ruby


Oh what a nice logic. Then Final Fantasy is on a rise as weel since XIII is going to outsell XII.



reaver_x on 15 November 2009
Rei said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Rei said:

@ Kenryoku_Maxis:

FFXIII's battle system is as different from previous FF games as it can get. The game's main character is, first time in 15 years, a female. So I dont really see your point.

And it's not just FF that is in decline sales-wise, most estabilished jRPG franchises are, including Pokemon. Tales of franchise has been in decline sales-wise ever since Symphonia, it's not getting any new fans either. As for Persona - I dont think it makes much differense if it sells 450k copies instead of 400k, this series is completely niche and irrelevant, always has been.

FALSE

Pokemon as a sales franchise is on the rise this gen

Pkemon Diamond/Pearl have sold more than emerals/Ruby


Oh what a nice logic. Then Final Fantasy is on a rise as weel since XIII is going to outsell XII.

ofcourse it is or have u forgotten its multiplatform. Square is predicting 6 million altogether. so that would be 4 million WW on PS3 and 2 million on 360




 

 

                     

darthdevidem01 on 15 November 2009
Rei said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Rei said:

@ Kenryoku_Maxis:

FFXIII's battle system is as different from previous FF games as it can get. The game's main character is, first time in 15 years, a female. So I dont really see your point.

And it's not just FF that is in decline sales-wise, most estabilished jRPG franchises are, including Pokemon. Tales of franchise has been in decline sales-wise ever since Symphonia, it's not getting any new fans either. As for Persona - I dont think it makes much differense if it sells 450k copies instead of 400k, this series is completely niche and irrelevant, always has been.

FALSE

Pokemon as a sales franchise is on the rise this gen

Pkemon Diamond/Pearl have sold more than emerals/Ruby


Oh what a nice logic. Then Final Fantasy is on a rise as weel since XIII is going to outsell XII.

whata are you going on about

I am comparing the FIRST Pokemon Game of this gen to the FIRST of last gen

Diamond/Pearl VS Ruby/Saphire

This gen's first pokemon game has done better than last gens

so you can't say in any way that the Pokemon franchise is "IN" decline AS its broken the decline

That is logic

 

Pokemon declined for two generations (from game boy to game boy colour (Red/blue to gold/silver) & then again from game boy colour to game boy advance (silver/gold to ruby/saphire)

but this gen its broken the decline, so its not "in" decline



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