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Kasz216 said:
Xxain said:
This a amazing discovery...I cant wait to find are 1st Lifeform outside of Earth even if its just a Lizard or a spider..something

Lizard or Spider?  Try bacteria.

Wasn't there something like that a long time ago people claimed was from an asteroid?  Guess that was debunked/unproveable.

I know what you are referring too, I think. They found organic molecules (Glycine I believe) in the tail of a comet once. People got excited because it suggested that transpermia was a realistic hypothesis after all.



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highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Xxain said:
This a amazing discovery...I cant wait to find are 1st Lifeform outside of Earth even if its just a Lizard or a spider..something

To be honest, when if we find life in our solar system I doubt that it will be anything life here on Earth. I would assume that it would still be comprised of the same basic organic molecules, but it would evolve in such a way that it would be beyond our imagination. Even if it is only small single celled life (which is the most likely we would find), it would still be extremely different from single cell life here on Earth.

I disagree.

The animals will evolve differently, but I think will end up "similarish".  Liquid will still be liquid.  Air will still be air and land will still be land despite how different it may be enviroment wise.

Just how all planets are round I believe that there are certain "truths" about which kinds of "parts" work best and what numbers are preferable for different niches.

You couldn't call stuff lizards or spiders outright... but i'd say anything we'd find would well fall into a childs imagination.

The truth is no-one knows.

I would honestly imagine though that through the process of evolution, different life forms find evolutionary solutions based on their environment. So for life to bear resemblance to Earth then it would need to have a similar environment to Earth. As we know, there are no other planets similar to Earth within our solar system, so for extra terrestrial life to be similar to ours we would have to look outside of our solar system. Where we are looking for life within our solar system (Titan, Europa, etc...), they all have underground oceans and hydrocarbon lakes, etc... Environments which vary greatly from Earths.

But as I said, we may not find out for decades. That's just what I think.

Even so. Comparing the different enviroments on earth.  The animals on earth are all still very similar.

No matter what a lake is made out of... it is still a lake.  Fins will still be the most efficent way to traverse it mechanically.

 

 



Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Xxain said:
This a amazing discovery...I cant wait to find are 1st Lifeform outside of Earth even if its just a Lizard or a spider..something

To be honest, when if we find life in our solar system I doubt that it will be anything life here on Earth. I would assume that it would still be comprised of the same basic organic molecules, but it would evolve in such a way that it would be beyond our imagination. Even if it is only small single celled life (which is the most likely we would find), it would still be extremely different from single cell life here on Earth.

I disagree.

The animals will evolve differently, but I think will end up "similarish".  Liquid will still be liquid.  Air will still be air and land will still be land despite how different it may be enviroment wise.

Just how all planets are round I believe that there are certain "truths" about which kinds of "parts" work best and what numbers are preferable for different niches.

You couldn't call stuff lizards or spiders outright... but i'd say anything we'd find would well fall into a childs imagination.

The truth is no-one knows.

I would honestly imagine though that through the process of evolution, different life forms find evolutionary solutions based on their environment. So for life to bear resemblance to Earth then it would need to have a similar environment to Earth. As we know, there are no other planets similar to Earth within our solar system, so for extra terrestrial life to be similar to ours we would have to look outside of our solar system. Where we are looking for life within our solar system (Titan, Europa, etc...), they all have underground oceans and hydrocarbon lakes, etc... Environments which vary greatly from Earths.

But as I said, we may not find out for decades. That's just what I think.

Even so. Comparing the different enviroments on earth.  The animals on earth are all still very similar.

No matter what a lake is made out of... it is still a lake.  Fins will still be the most efficent way to traverse it mechanically.

 

 

How do you know that alien life wouldn't find a better or worse way? How about propelling themselves through water with a jet of air or an organ that works like a propeller? It's not something we can predict to be honest.

An analogy I would use is studying exoplanets. We thought that all star systems would bear resemblance to ours in planet distribution. We assumed it would be the same as ours because that was logical. But if anything, studying exoplanets has taught us that our solar system is the odd one out if anything. The point is we have to expect the unexpected. We can't predict something we have no real knowledge about by basing it on terrestrial examples.

 



highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Xxain said:
This a amazing discovery...I cant wait to find are 1st Lifeform outside of Earth even if its just a Lizard or a spider..something

To be honest, when if we find life in our solar system I doubt that it will be anything life here on Earth. I would assume that it would still be comprised of the same basic organic molecules, but it would evolve in such a way that it would be beyond our imagination. Even if it is only small single celled life (which is the most likely we would find), it would still be extremely different from single cell life here on Earth.

I disagree.

The animals will evolve differently, but I think will end up "similarish".  Liquid will still be liquid.  Air will still be air and land will still be land despite how different it may be enviroment wise.

Just how all planets are round I believe that there are certain "truths" about which kinds of "parts" work best and what numbers are preferable for different niches.

You couldn't call stuff lizards or spiders outright... but i'd say anything we'd find would well fall into a childs imagination.

The truth is no-one knows.

I would honestly imagine though that through the process of evolution, different life forms find evolutionary solutions based on their environment. So for life to bear resemblance to Earth then it would need to have a similar environment to Earth. As we know, there are no other planets similar to Earth within our solar system, so for extra terrestrial life to be similar to ours we would have to look outside of our solar system. Where we are looking for life within our solar system (Titan, Europa, etc...), they all have underground oceans and hydrocarbon lakes, etc... Environments which vary greatly from Earths.

But as I said, we may not find out for decades. That's just what I think.

Even so. Comparing the different enviroments on earth.  The animals on earth are all still very similar.

No matter what a lake is made out of... it is still a lake.  Fins will still be the most efficent way to traverse it mechanically.

 

 

How do you know that alien life wouldn't find a better or worse way? How about propelling themselves through water with a jet of air or an organ that works like a propeller? It's not something we can predict to be honest.

An analogy I would use is studying exoplanets. We thought that all star systems would bear resemblance to ours in planet distribution. We assumed it would be the same as ours because that was logical. But if anything, studying exoplanets has taught us that our solar system is the odd one out if anything. The point is we have to expect the unexpected. We can't predict something we have no real knowledge about by basing it on terrestrial examples.

 


Those two methods of sea travel I believe also exist on Earth.  In the Squid (Cephalopods in general) and... some other creature who's name i can't remember.

Humans build stuff often times without the inspiration of the natural world.  We've got a mechanical world down pretty well at this point.  I'd be surprised if there was much out there that wouldn't resemble what we've invented.

That's not to see it'll be like Star Trek where every intellgent lifeform or even most are going to be human life... but i'd guess most alien anatomy will have earthbound analogues that are fairly easy to point out.



Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:

The truth is no-one knows.

I would honestly imagine though that through the process of evolution, different life forms find evolutionary solutions based on their environment. So for life to bear resemblance to Earth then it would need to have a similar environment to Earth. As we know, there are no other planets similar to Earth within our solar system, so for extra terrestrial life to be similar to ours we would have to look outside of our solar system. Where we are looking for life within our solar system (Titan, Europa, etc...), they all have underground oceans and hydrocarbon lakes, etc... Environments which vary greatly from Earths.

But as I said, we may not find out for decades. That's just what I think.

Even so. Comparing the different enviroments on earth.  The animals on earth are all still very similar.

No matter what a lake is made out of... it is still a lake.  Fins will still be the most efficent way to traverse it mechanically.

 

 

How do you know that alien life wouldn't find a better or worse way? How about propelling themselves through water with a jet of air or an organ that works like a propeller? It's not something we can predict to be honest.

An analogy I would use is studying exoplanets. We thought that all star systems would bear resemblance to ours in planet distribution. We assumed it would be the same as ours because that was logical. But if anything, studying exoplanets has taught us that our solar system is the odd one out if anything. The point is we have to expect the unexpected. We can't predict something we have no real knowledge about by basing it on terrestrial examples.

 


Those two methods of sea travel I believe also exist on Earth.  In the Squid (Cephalopods in general) and... some other creature who's name i can't remember.

Humans build stuff often times without the inspiration of the natural world.  We've got a mechanical world down pretty well at this point.  I'd be surprised if there was much out there that wouldn't resemble what we've invented.

That's not to see it'll be like Star Trek where every intellgent lifeform or even most are going to be human life... but i'd guess most alien anatomy will have earthbound analogues that are fairly easy to point out.

Yeah, a lot of microscopic waterborne life forms use propellers. And a lot of single celled water borne organisms use flagellum to propel themselves (If anything I would say that that is more of a successful propulsion that fins). But the fact that those exist on Earth kind of supports my point, fins may not work as well in a subsurface lake as a propeller or something, so fins may be uncommon there. Many solution may arise, but the one best suited to the task will thrive.



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highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:

The truth is no-one knows.

I would honestly imagine though that through the process of evolution, different life forms find evolutionary solutions based on their environment. So for life to bear resemblance to Earth then it would need to have a similar environment to Earth. As we know, there are no other planets similar to Earth within our solar system, so for extra terrestrial life to be similar to ours we would have to look outside of our solar system. Where we are looking for life within our solar system (Titan, Europa, etc...), they all have underground oceans and hydrocarbon lakes, etc... Environments which vary greatly from Earths.

But as I said, we may not find out for decades. That's just what I think.

Even so. Comparing the different enviroments on earth.  The animals on earth are all still very similar.

No matter what a lake is made out of... it is still a lake.  Fins will still be the most efficent way to traverse it mechanically.

 

 

How do you know that alien life wouldn't find a better or worse way? How about propelling themselves through water with a jet of air or an organ that works like a propeller? It's not something we can predict to be honest.

An analogy I would use is studying exoplanets. We thought that all star systems would bear resemblance to ours in planet distribution. We assumed it would be the same as ours because that was logical. But if anything, studying exoplanets has taught us that our solar system is the odd one out if anything. The point is we have to expect the unexpected. We can't predict something we have no real knowledge about by basing it on terrestrial examples.

 


Those two methods of sea travel I believe also exist on Earth.  In the Squid (Cephalopods in general) and... some other creature who's name i can't remember.

Humans build stuff often times without the inspiration of the natural world.  We've got a mechanical world down pretty well at this point.  I'd be surprised if there was much out there that wouldn't resemble what we've invented.

That's not to see it'll be like Star Trek where every intellgent lifeform or even most are going to be human life... but i'd guess most alien anatomy will have earthbound analogues that are fairly easy to point out.

Yeah, a lot of microscopic waterborne life forms use propellers. And a lot of single celled water borne organisms use flagellum to propel themselves (If anything I would say that that is more of a successful propulsion that fins). But the fact that those exist on Earth kind of supports my point, fins may not work as well in a subsurface lake as a propeller or something, so fins may be uncommon there. Many solution may arise, but the one best suited to the task will thrive.

They are all ones we have expierenced or created ourselves though.  I find it unlikely there will be something we couldn't forsee existing. 

Like say, an animal that flies due to it's body developing a chemical that negates gravity or something crazy like that.

I think it'll all be fairly similar to stuff we have expierence with... and with some similar traits.

For example Symmetry.  I don't we'll find many nonsymmetrical animals.

 

 



Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:

How do you know that alien life wouldn't find a better or worse way? How about propelling themselves through water with a jet of air or an organ that works like a propeller? It's not something we can predict to be honest.

An analogy I would use is studying exoplanets. We thought that all star systems would bear resemblance to ours in planet distribution. We assumed it would be the same as ours because that was logical. But if anything, studying exoplanets has taught us that our solar system is the odd one out if anything. The point is we have to expect the unexpected. We can't predict something we have no real knowledge about by basing it on terrestrial examples.

 


Those two methods of sea travel I believe also exist on Earth.  In the Squid (Cephalopods in general) and... some other creature who's name i can't remember.

Humans build stuff often times without the inspiration of the natural world.  We've got a mechanical world down pretty well at this point.  I'd be surprised if there was much out there that wouldn't resemble what we've invented.

That's not to see it'll be like Star Trek where every intellgent lifeform or even most are going to be human life... but i'd guess most alien anatomy will have earthbound analogues that are fairly easy to point out.

Yeah, a lot of microscopic waterborne life forms use propellers. And a lot of single celled water borne organisms use flagellum to propel themselves (If anything I would say that that is more of a successful propulsion that fins). But the fact that those exist on Earth kind of supports my point, fins may not work as well in a subsurface lake as a propeller or something, so fins may be uncommon there. Many solution may arise, but the one best suited to the task will thrive.

They are all ones we have expierenced or created ourselves though.  I find it unlikely there will be something we couldn't forsee existing. 

Like say, an animal that flies due to it's body developing a chemical that negates gravity or something crazy like that.

I think it'll all be fairly similar to stuff we have expierence with... and with some similar traits.

For example Symmetry.  I don't we'll find many nonsymmetrical animals.

 

 

Yeah, I can agree with you that, we could easily comprehend whatever solutions nature finds. Even if we find something that isn't found on Earth, I imagine we would be able to draw an example from somewhere, organic or inorganic.

Either way, I doubt it will be similar to life on Earth.

To be honest Kasz, we're arguing about multicellular life on extra terrestrial moons and planets. Something we may have no clue about within our lifetime.