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richardhutnik said:
MAFKKA said:
I haven't said anything regarding Big Rigs. MW2 PC can still be epic failure though.

Epic failure is memorable, to the extent it becomes a joke of all-time jokes.  You have to get so many things wrong to reach this level.  To not reach this level of ineptitude, and then say a game is on it, is to undermine and DESTROY the meaning of epic failure.  Big Rigs goes down to that level.  MW2 does not.  If MW2 loads, and while not nearly is as good as the original, still can play, and large numbers get enjoyment out of it, it isn't at Big Rigs level at all.  Only enjoyment from Big Rigs is to revel in the suckitude it is, and to make a joke out of it.

What I am seeing here is a case of people who believe the WORLD has to have a collective opinion of where a game should be (MW2 should be 6) so to offset people who hold the game highly, so you end up saying the game is a 1 or 0 and hope others join in.  In the case here, venting over dedicated servers has MW2 at a level, on Metacritic, below that of Big Rigs.  And THAT is a problem.

Agreed.



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aragod said:
Console gamers have problem understanding the fact that MW2 PC version is crap? 10 year old games offer more than MW2.

And do people have problems understanding how bad Big Rigs is?  Games 20+ years old functioned better than Big Rigs.  Even Atari 2600 games did.  Even a Pong unit did.  If you don't understand this, then you don't know the full extent of how bad Big Rigs is.  People need to do this, before they start rating MW2 lower than it.



Boutros said:
aragod said:
Console gamers have problem understanding the fact that MW2 PC version is crap? 10 year old games offer more than MW2.

That's the kind of comment that doesn't make sense.

I'm sure the game is not "crap" even though it offers less than other games.

Actually yes it is. If a game is not better than games that have come out alrady the game is crap, whichever way you spin it. Why should a game exist that is inferior to previous games? Why?

 

@Ail

They wouldn't get so much complaining if they weren't doin bullshit practices that are fit for console-only audiences. Console players are more than willing to get shafted in just about every way possible, PC gamers aren't.



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Boutros said:
huaxiong90 said:
Boutros said:
huaxiong90 said:
PS3 and Xbox 360 users don't seem to like it either (4.6 and 5.5).

PS3 and Xbox 360 users love the game.

PC owners are giving it low scores. Now that's where it becomes a problem (the same happened with Killzone 2 and Gears of War 2 I think).

Killzone 2 user score: 8.3. GoW2 = 6.1.

 

I don't see how your point adds up. If anything, it's an opinion at the moment.

Proofs of what I said:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3171112

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=nl&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://ps3life.nl/nieuws/2263-killzone-2-ook-al-slachtoffer-van-metacritic-oorlog/

http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/25/resistance-2-latest-victim-in-metacritic-user-flames/

http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/24/ps3-fanboys-strike-back-gears-2-metacritic-user-score-lowered-to-41/

http://www.tawkn.com/index.php?page=site-blogpost&blog_id=300&posted=1

Read my previous comment, please.



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Ail said:
Issue is that all the PC gamers have been doing is bitch about games recently( Left4Dead 2, Starcraft 2, MW2, Rage).
If they were enthusiasts about some game that would give the publishers some hints that there is some hope in the future, but as it is all they are doing is complaining and just reinforcing development studios in the idea that focusing on consoles is the right idea ( and even ValVe gets this with Left4Dead).

I'm sorry?

If all of a sudden COD7 PS360 were to cost +20$, while, say, removing online play (and retaining only a short single player campaign), would you be pissed?

If you had to buy three separate full-priced discs for the entire FFXIII, would you be pissed?

If God of War 3 came with only half the game on the disc, and then the second half was promised in free DLC, but then later decided to be packaged into separate full-priced disc, would you be pissed?

 

Then again, you probably wouldn't - looking at the things that go on with console games (paying for p2p online, whoring out sequals to no end, releasing incomplete games and charging for DLC within weeks of release to complete them), most people would probably go along with it - PS360 gamers, especially 360 gamers, are used to this kind of nonsense, and seem to gladly put up with it.

PC gamers, on the other hand, typically have higher standards.



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jefforange89 said:
Ail said:
Issue is that all the PC gamers have been doing is bitch about games recently( Left4Dead 2, Starcraft 2, MW2, Rage).
If they were enthusiasts about some game that would give the publishers some hints that there is some hope in the future, but as it is all they are doing is complaining and just reinforcing development studios in the idea that focusing on consoles is the right idea ( and even ValVe gets this with Left4Dead).

I'm sorry?

If all of a sudden COD7 PS360 were to cost +20$, while, say, removing online play (and retaining only a short single player campaign), would you be pissed?

If you had to buy three separate full-priced discs for the entire FFXIII, would you be pissed?

If God of War 3 came with only half the game on the disc, and then the second half was promised in free DLC, but then later decided to be packaged into separate full-priced disc, would you be pissed?

 

Then again, you probably wouldn't - looking at the things that go on with console games (paying for p2p online, whoring out sequals to no end, releasing incomplete games and charging for DLC within weeks of release to complete them), most people would probably go along with it - PS360 gamers, especially 360 gamers, are used to this kind of nonsense, and seem to gladly put up with it.

PC gamers, on the other hand, typically have higher standards.

Where there is more money to be made, and less headaches, by catering to the lower standards, then expect the lower standards to become the norm.  The PC gaming industry is justified to be annoyed at their game being morphed into the same specs the console version has.  You feel shorted and ripped off.  You feel the company doesn't care about you and your interests.  But, if the money is there, and you get less support headaches you do it.  And then expect the rest of the industry to follow suit.  This leaves you, as a console gamer, feeling shafted.  But the market dictates what companies do.  One can say piracy is responsible, but it is in that territory.  In regards to what you wrote, I see the following:

1. Call of Duty is now mapped to the way consoles are set up, and at the same price.

2. Starcraft II is going to be sold as three separate products, to get the full campaign.  So yes, to get the full campaign of Starcraft II, look to spend $100+.

3. GoW3 sounds like what they did with ODST.

But again, that is what the market supports, and is why the videogame industry is moving towards the console model.  It is how they make the most money.  And you can whine and complain about it.  But go ahead and NOT buy the product.  The videogame companies will then say PC sales are way down, and they will stop making PC versions of their games.  And you, as a PC gamer are shafted.  Of course, you can start to demand console owners have "higher standards", but it is doubtful they will listen.  The console owners are used to less people playing in games, and don't care as much about mods or running their own servers.



huaxiong90 said:
Boutros said:
huaxiong90 said:
Boutros said:
huaxiong90 said:
PS3 and Xbox 360 users don't seem to like it either (4.6 and 5.5).

PS3 and Xbox 360 users love the game.

PC owners are giving it low scores. Now that's where it becomes a problem (the same happened with Killzone 2 and Gears of War 2 I think).

Killzone 2 user score: 8.3. GoW2 = 6.1.

 

I don't see how your point adds up. If anything, it's an opinion at the moment.

No I'm talking about back when they came out.

They deleted the reviews since then but both games had horrible user scores aroud their release because of the console war.

It happened to Halo Wars too.

That was before the release of the game. These scores are after the game released. So I don't see how the 2 points are related, honestly.

...

What's the difference between before or after the release?

It's the same.

That's not because the game releases that all the haters will stop rating it low. Do you really think PS3 and 360 users are giving the game a 1/10. No. Maybe some individuals but those individuals simply don't like the game for the good reasons.

The low user scores for the 360 and PS3 version are due to PC gamers. Now if you can't "honestly" understand that, I just don't see the point of continuing this conversation.



MW1>MW2 in every way yet it costs more. If you look at it MW2 is a below average pc game. MW2 is certainly not worth it and it shouldnt be tolerated. Therefore, the user scores its getting are right.



 

 

Boutros said:
huaxiong90 said:
Boutros said:
huaxiong90 said:
Boutros said:
huaxiong90 said:
PS3 and Xbox 360 users don't seem to like it either (4.6 and 5.5).

PS3 and Xbox 360 users love the game.

PC owners are giving it low scores. Now that's where it becomes a problem (the same happened with Killzone 2 and Gears of War 2 I think).

Killzone 2 user score: 8.3. GoW2 = 6.1.

 

I don't see how your point adds up. If anything, it's an opinion at the moment.

No I'm talking about back when they came out.

They deleted the reviews since then but both games had horrible user scores aroud their release because of the console war.

It happened to Halo Wars too.

That was before the release of the game. These scores are after the game released. So I don't see how the 2 points are related, honestly.

...

What's the difference between before or after the release?

It's the same.

That's not because the game releases that all the haters will stop rating it low. Do you really think PS3 and 360 users are giving the game a 1/10. No. Maybe some individuals but those individuals simply don't like the game for the good reasons.

The low user scores for the 360 and PS3 version are due to PC gamers. Now if you can't "honestly" understand that, I just don't see the point of continuing this conversation.

The difference, is that now that the game is released, we can never know for sure if the game is being panned by console gamers or PC gamers. With the case of KZ2 and the other games, the games weren't even released yet, therefore, how can one make an honest opinion about it?

 

All I'm saying is, that it's nothing but speculation at the moment. Yes, it's possibly because of PC gamer's hatred, but we can't prove this at all.



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