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vlad321 said:
Ail said:
jefforange89 said:
Perhaps it's because console gamers typically have lower standards, and are easier to milk for more money?

can I translate this as :

- The huge majority of console gamers actually purchase the games they play ?

Thanks for making my point...

No it means that console players will be glad if a company even offered them a bucket of crap.

How is it that blizard and Valve make so much money? Magic? They just make games that don't suck, something VERY few people are able to do in modern times it seems.

They're also PC focused developers. There are plenty of console-focussed developers making great games and reaping great profits. The difference is a lot of quality PC developers lose their shirts from pirates, and then shift focus to consoles. You're whole argument is that console gamers will apparently buy anything. But you fail to see it's not because PC gamers have greater discretion, it's because they're far less likely to pay for a product they use. In our previous thread, we saw that Assassin's Creed had nearly 20x the pirated copied floating out there (ONLY counting bittorrent, not including any other means of pirating) than actual sales. You claimed it was because the game was terrible. But that means PC gamers are still willing to play terrible games, just not pay for them.

Sure companies like blizzard or valve that make the BEST of the BEST can succeed financially. But they make super-high quality games that sell for the same price as lousy games. They succeed due to their reputation for quality that ends in sales volume. Guess how often that business model works? Most developers can't decide to spend 6 years making a perfect game like Blizzard. Or let a AAA franchise sit for 10 years between sequels. Meanwhile, rememger Origin? Remember the massive time/budget they put into the Wing Commander games? Great games, good sales... but they stopped making back their budgets, and they're now dead. That is a story that has happened many times over... and piracy is at least partially (if not entirely) to blame. Yes, blizzard will make games and print money, and yet at the same time they will lose money from pirates. Meanwhile, developers who aren't blizzard and Valve will go bankrupt, because their good game is being enjoyed by 3 or 4x the people who actually pay for it.



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nightsurge said:
vlad321 said:
Ail said:
jefforange89 said:
Perhaps it's because console gamers typically have lower standards, and are easier to milk for more money?

can I translate this as :

- The huge majority of console gamers actually purchase the games they play ?

 

Thanks for making my point...

No it means that console players will be glad if a company even offered them a bucket of crap.

How is it that blizard and Valve make so much money? Magic? They just make games that don't suck, something VERY few people are able to do in modern times it seems.

And claiming that console gamers are somehow inferior is the most elitist false claims anyone can make.

Console gamers have no lower standards than PC gamers, nor are they any easier to milk for money.  Especialy considering the fact that many PC gamers are console games and vice versa.

The only people who believe this is the people who think piracy on PC isn't a problem.....

same could be said about the people who think PSP, DS, 360, PS2, Wii, and other game piracy isnt an issue...... piracy is a nonissue in this entire debate, getting into it is pointless.



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7 million units sold in one day. This petition is going to get their attention.



ssj12 said:
nightsurge said:
vlad321 said:

No it means that console players will be glad if a company even offered them a bucket of crap.

How is it that blizard and Valve make so much money? Magic? They just make games that don't suck, something VERY few people are able to do in modern times it seems.

And claiming that console gamers are somehow inferior is the most elitist false claims anyone can make.

Console gamers have no lower standards than PC gamers, nor are they any easier to milk for money.  Especialy considering the fact that many PC gamers are console games and vice versa.

The only people who believe this is the people who think piracy on PC isn't a problem.....

same could be said about the people who think PSP, DS, 360, PS2, Wii, and other game piracy isnt an issue...... piracy is a nonissue in this entire debate, getting into it is pointless.

Different scale, by a long shot. If I want a pirated PC game, all I need is a half decent internet connection and the ability to use google. Excluding PSP, the other systems you mentioned generally have fairly low piracy rates. Nothing to touch the PC's, at any rate.



nightsurge said:
vlad321 said:
nightsurge said:
vlad321 said:
nightsurge said:
To clarify, I am not saying that the petition is filled with pirates signatures. I was not defending that remark by whoever I quoted. I know very well why people who only get games like this on PC are upset. It's basically a console port with mouse + keyboard support, completely taking out everything that made it unique on PC. I understand all that and that's the reason why I will only be getting it on 360 now rather than on both. I was merely adding to the whole "most PC gamers are pirates" generalization since in my experience as well, it sure seems this way.

That's funny cause statistics who that your experience maybe just that, your experience.

Nah, I think it's the experience of most people, actually, or if not the majority, then at least 1/3 or higher and it will soon be the majority..  Especially when recent PC developers have said that their game's online component is being played by 80% pirates....

Someone already provided the link to show that pirates aren't as much as buyers, can you provide me with actual statistics to show otherwise?

That was just a list of 2008 only.... CoD4 released in 2007.... DemiGod had 80% piracy.  CoD4 had 830,000 downloads in the year after its release... I wonder with the frontloaded holidays if it had 3x that amount in 2007.  No one has shown me any 2007 stats yet.  With CoD4 on PC only having an estimated 1-3 million retail sales, it makes sense that a large portion (of at least one third for most games and much higher for others, which will only keep growing) of the people playing the actual game are pirates.  Why else would IW not release any info on the PC only sales, and then with the next game iteration they only develop a console version?

COD4 PC made far more than just 3 million on retail, you must be tripping. And that's not even including the digital sales AND deals with GPU manufacturers.



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Just had a quick look on one of the larger BT trackers. These are the total downloads for some recent games (i.e. not just the current number of seeders/ leechers)-

COD6 (PC)- 15562 (over 3 torrents, including 2854 who downloaded the crack for the Steam version)
COD6 (360)- 9187 (over 4 torrents, including 116 downloads of the German version)

Dragon Age (PC)- 11405 (1 torrent)
Dragon Age (360)- 3621 (1 torrent)

Batman: AA (PC)- 17901 (over 2 torrents)
Batman: AA (360)- 10667 (over 2 torrents)

GTA4 (PC)- 50901 (2 torrents)
GTA4 (360)- 25889 (2 torrents)

COD 4 (PC)- 63950 (1 torrent)
COD 4 (360)- 14470 (2 torrents)

In comparison, some other, heavily pirated PC games-

Crysis- 77535
Assassin's Creed- 157,869 (!)
Fallout 3- 30,897
Far Cry 2- 25,338 (~9200 on 360)
DemiGod- 8537

And some 360 exclusives-

Halo 3- 12701
Forza- 16029 (including both PAL and US versions)
GOW2- 14493

For the Wii-

Super Mario Galaxy- 12207
Mario Kart- 13302

None of the figures really means anything, but the impression given that PC piracy is massively, wildily in excess of the 360 isn't really borne out. Sure, it's 3-4 times higher, but then the potential PC market is probably 3-4 times bigger. For recent games, it actually seems like 360 piracy is catching up, although with up to 1 million XBox's being booted from Live this week, maybe it will take a back seat for a while.



nightsurge said:
vlad321 said:
Ail said:
jefforange89 said:
Perhaps it's because console gamers typically have lower standards, and are easier to milk for more money?

can I translate this as :

- The huge majority of console gamers actually purchase the games they play ?

 

Thanks for making my point...

No it means that console players will be glad if a company even offered them a bucket of crap.

How is it that blizard and Valve make so much money? Magic? They just make games that don't suck, something VERY few people are able to do in modern times it seems.

And claiming that console gamers are somehow inferior is the most elitist false claims anyone can make.

Console gamers have no lower standards than PC gamers, nor are they any easier to milk for money.  Especialy considering the fact that many PC gamers are console games and vice versa.

The only people who believe this is the people who think piracy on PC isn't a problem.....

Most of these guys acting like elitists PC gamers forget that console gamers used to be PC gamers.........



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

ssj12 said:
nightsurge said:
vlad321 said:
Ail said:
jefforange89 said:
Perhaps it's because console gamers typically have lower standards, and are easier to milk for more money?

can I translate this as :

- The huge majority of console gamers actually purchase the games they play ?

 

Thanks for making my point...

No it means that console players will be glad if a company even offered them a bucket of crap.

How is it that blizard and Valve make so much money? Magic? They just make games that don't suck, something VERY few people are able to do in modern times it seems.

And claiming that console gamers are somehow inferior is the most elitist false claims anyone can make.

Console gamers have no lower standards than PC gamers, nor are they any easier to milk for money.  Especialy considering the fact that many PC gamers are console games and vice versa.

The only people who believe this is the people who think piracy on PC isn't a problem.....

same could be said about the people who think PSP, DS, 360, PS2, Wii, and other game piracy isnt an issue...... piracy is a nonissue in this entire debate, getting into it is pointless.

 

I noticed you didn't answer my DemiGod rebuke...

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

vlad321 said:
Ail said:
jefforange89 said:
Perhaps it's because console gamers typically have lower standards, and are easier to milk for more money?

can I translate this as :

- The huge majority of console gamers actually purchase the games they play ?

 

Thanks for making my point...

No it means that console players will be glad if a company even offered them a bucket of crap.

How is it that blizard and Valve make so much money? Magic? They just make games that don't suck, something VERY few people are able to do in modern times it seems.

Yep Valve PC business works so well than for the first time they decided to release their last 2 games simultaneously on consoles and PC....



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

shio said:
nightsurge said:
vlad321 said:
nightsurge said:
vlad321 said:
nightsurge said:
To clarify, I am not saying that the petition is filled with pirates signatures. I was not defending that remark by whoever I quoted. I know very well why people who only get games like this on PC are upset. It's basically a console port with mouse + keyboard support, completely taking out everything that made it unique on PC. I understand all that and that's the reason why I will only be getting it on 360 now rather than on both. I was merely adding to the whole "most PC gamers are pirates" generalization since in my experience as well, it sure seems this way.

That's funny cause statistics who that your experience maybe just that, your experience.

Nah, I think it's the experience of most people, actually, or if not the majority, then at least 1/3 or higher and it will soon be the majority..  Especially when recent PC developers have said that their game's online component is being played by 80% pirates....

Someone already provided the link to show that pirates aren't as much as buyers, can you provide me with actual statistics to show otherwise?

That was just a list of 2008 only.... CoD4 released in 2007.... DemiGod had 80% piracy.  CoD4 had 830,000 downloads in the year after its release... I wonder with the frontloaded holidays if it had 3x that amount in 2007.  No one has shown me any 2007 stats yet.  With CoD4 on PC only having an estimated 1-3 million retail sales, it makes sense that a large portion (of at least one third for most games and much higher for others, which will only keep growing) of the people playing the actual game are pirates.  Why else would IW not release any info on the PC only sales, and then with the next game iteration they only develop a console version?

COD4 PC made far more than just 3 million on retail, you must be tripping. And that's not even including the digital sales AND deals with GPU manufacturers.

Dude, you're the last guy on earth to believe this.

None of the numbers released by Activision validate this, they all validate sells in the 1-3 millions range units...( retail AND digital, when you speak of revenue it's all the same for Activision in the end).



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !