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Procrastinato on 09 November 2009
CGI-Quality said:
Procrastinato said:
The "contrast differences" seen in these, and all comparisons across the board, really, are due to the PS3 conforming to the official DVI-VIDEO signal format (which clamps black to "16" and white to "235" rather than the 0-255 range allowed in some other signals). The 360 does not conform to said format.

I'm not positive, but the only real drawback to not conforming may be that the PS3 will work/look better on some televisions than the 360 will. I don't think the 360 signal could damage a TV, but... it might look odd in some relatively rare cases. Certainly the PS3 will seem more consistent from TV to TV than the 360 will.

Sony could change this at any time with a firmware update... however then they wouldn't be conforming to the DVI-VIDEO format, and that might cause some consumers to get upset, since their TVs might not work well with the expanded signal.

I usually learn something from you in these tech conversations...

Knowledge is power.

In this case, its the power to have an unbiased decision on which game is better for your library. =)



 

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ps3-sales! on 09 November 2009

It all turns down to where your friends all.



Currently own:

 

  • Ps4

 

Currently playing: Witcher 3, Walking Dead S1/2, GTA5, Dying Light, Tomb Raider Remaster, MGS Ground Zeros

daveJ on 09 November 2009

Yes Procastinato is right, it seems as if the lenthoftruth website has not setup there ps3 and tv correctly, which is quite embarrassing

In case anyones interested heres a setting you might want to look at

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/rgbfullrange.html



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 Bet with tbone51: Pokeon X & pokemon Y will not sell more than 8 million in 2013

 jarrod said:The Xbox360 or ps3 will not sell more than 75million units

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 2009 daveJ said: The wii will not break the 50% marketshare barrier it will go below the 40% marketshare barrier though in the future. VGChartz members: Impossible, youre an idiot that knows nothing about sales

Procrastinato on 09 November 2009
Procrastinato said:

The "contrast differences" seen in these, and all comparisons across the board, really, are due to the PS3 conforming to the official DVI-VIDEO signal format (which clamps black to "16" and white to "235" rather than the 0-255 range allowed in some other signals). The 360 does not conform to said format.

I'm not positive, but the only real drawback to not conforming may be that the PS3 will work/look better on some televisions than the 360 will. I don't think the 360 signal could damage a TV, but... it might look odd in some relatively rare cases. Certainly the PS3 will seem more consistent from TV to TV than the 360 will.

Sony could change this at any time with a firmware update... however then they wouldn't be conforming to the DVI-VIDEO format, and that might cause some consumers to get upset, since their TVs might not work well with the expanded signal.

EDIT: In fact, a large number of consumers probably do not own TVs of high enough quality to actually notice the difference.  Ironically, those few users would notice would probably be owners of Sony Bravia XBRs. =)  In a certain sense, any capture done from the signal directly (most of them are done this way) is outright ignoring the fact that the vast majority of TVs/users won't see the difference, and in ignoring this fact, is biased by nature.

I should add that the DVI-PC color range is 0-255... that's the reason that you can see the difference in the screenshots (on your monitor), but not generally on your TV.  Thus, many of the people who complain that the washed out pictures are not "accurate" are not actually correct in fact, although they are in "spirit"  -- the truth is that the PS3 shots are also what the X360 shots tend to look like, on most televisions.



 

Procrastinato on 09 November 2009
daveJ said:
Yes Procastinato is right, it seems as if the lenthoftruth website has not setup there ps3 and tv correctly, which is quite embarrassing

In case anyones interested heres a setting you might want to look at

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/rgbfullrange.html

They claim in their FAQ that they do set their PS3 to have full range RGB, but I wouldn't be surprised if the PS3 wasn't "detecting" that their capture device "didn't support" it, and thus was overriding the full range output, in order to conform to the capture device's (probably not compliant) specifications.



 

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JerCotter7 on 09 November 2009
Procrastinato said:
Procrastinato said:

The "contrast differences" seen in these, and all comparisons across the board, really, are due to the PS3 conforming to the official DVI-VIDEO signal format (which clamps black to "16" and white to "235" rather than the 0-255 range allowed in some other signals). The 360 does not conform to said format.

I'm not positive, but the only real drawback to not conforming may be that the PS3 will work/look better on some televisions than the 360 will. I don't think the 360 signal could damage a TV, but... it might look odd in some relatively rare cases. Certainly the PS3 will seem more consistent from TV to TV than the 360 will.

Sony could change this at any time with a firmware update... however then they wouldn't be conforming to the DVI-VIDEO format, and that might cause some consumers to get upset, since their TVs might not work well with the expanded signal.

EDIT: In fact, a large number of consumers probably do not own TVs of high enough quality to actually notice the difference.  Ironically, those few users would notice would probably be owners of Sony Bravia XBRs. =)  In a certain sense, any capture done from the signal directly (most of them are done this way) is outright ignoring the fact that the vast majority of TVs/users won't see the difference, and in ignoring this fact, is biased by nature.

I should add that the DVI-PC color range is 0-255... that's the reason that you can see the difference in the screenshots (on your monitor), but not generally on your TV.  Thus, many of the people who complain that the washed out pictures are not "accurate" are not actually correct in fact, although they are in "spirit"  -- the truth is that the PS3 shots are also what the X360 shots tend to look like, on most televisions.

Wanna make a little fun facts thread because I enjoy reading what you have to say :D Also is this not what the superwhite(can't remember exactly) option on PS3 is for?



elticker on 09 November 2009

expected



 

 

IllegalPaladin on 09 November 2009

I think I need to get a 360 or invite a friend over who has one because games on our HDTV (Sony XBR2) look great so I'm curious to see how running the 360 through it will look on it in lieu of the uproar these console comparisons cause. These comparisons always leave me questioning the people that do it and their test settings and such. 

 



silicon on 09 November 2009

Does anyone know how they get their screen shots or how they do their FPS analysis?



Squilliam on 09 November 2009

@ CGI: Stop being a slut and buying every single special edition Xbox 360 bundle!



Tease.