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lestatdark said:
@jarrod

PS3 reduced base can impact negatively on the sales of GT5, yet it's also a mistake to assume that the userbase won't increase over the year thus bringing more sales to GT5 itself. Do people actually believe that GT3 made those numbers in a year or so, when the PS2 had a comparable userbase to the actual PS3 userbase? No, it kept on selling until GT4 was released.

My point is that GT5 can do GT4 numbers, and has some possibilities to surpass it, especially if GT5 becomes the only GT game on PS3, which I doubt.

Actually GT4:p didn't release over in NA, yet if the impact of that prologue was low even on EU, with a NA release it could only go up to a bit over 1.5M. It was a heavily bundled game here in Europe, yet, as I said, it was a very expensive bundle when the base PS2 with two controllers and a memory card costed 50 euros less.

It is as you say, it won't do GT3 numbers, that's pretty much guaranteed, yet it can do some big sales, especially since there is a rather large fan base still waiting for the game, and given that GT5 will correct two of the main issues with GT4, the lack of online and the lack of damage, it can even bring a new fanbase to it.

Oh sure, but I'm not assuming PS3's base won't increase or expand.  In fact, I'm expecting GT5 to help do both.

I wasn't aware GT4P was bundled in Europe though.  Still, bundles clearly really helped push GT5P, especially in Japan where they were showing it charting for far longer than it would've on it's own and ultimately accounted for half of it's total sales.

I don't think 10m is impossible by any stretch for GT5 though, and really I can definitely see the conditions for it happening.  I think there's a compelling argument in sustained sales over time too, I can definitely see that working in GT5's favor.  But all the same, I think 10m is still probably upper limit and still a best case scenario given where Sony's brand and audience sits today.  You're right though, we'll have to see...



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@Hus

Look up my posts and then come back to me. What you said in your post is the exact same thing that I've been saying for a while



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Impulsivity said:
outlawauron said:
I think everyone has found an great anaology in Halo vs. Killzone and Forza vs. GT

  Except in the case of Halo Vs Killzone 2 Killzone 2 is the better game then Halo 3 and doesn't sell as well due to the name recognition factor.

 

   On the other hand GT is the best series by far AND has the name recognition.  It's the name AND the quality instead of a split.

Quality arguments are inherently subjective, you'd probably be better leaving them out entirely.  Still, I'd say Forza has gotten a much, much more positive critical response than Killzone has... outside platform evangelists, you won't find any fps nuts putting Killzone on equal ground with Halo, while you will find legitimate gearheads putting GT and Forza in the same territory.



jarrod said:
Impulsivity said:
outlawauron said:
I think everyone has found an great anaology in Halo vs. Killzone and Forza vs. GT

  Except in the case of Halo Vs Killzone 2 Killzone 2 is the better game then Halo 3 and doesn't sell as well due to the name recognition factor.

 

   On the other hand GT is the best series by far AND has the name recognition.  It's the name AND the quality instead of a split.

Quality arguments are inherently subjective, you'd probably be better leaving them out entirely.  Still, I'd say Forza has gotten a much, much more positive critical response than Killzone has... outside platform evangelists, you won't find any fps nuts putting Killzone on equal ground with Halo, while you will find legitimate gearheads putting GT and Forza in the same territory.

For one Halo3 reviewd higher, saying K2 is better is pointless. 

We all lknow Gt will get better reviews, PD never sacrafice quality.  Alot of their dev time goes into polishing the game till near perfection. 

You saying legit car fans put GT and Forza in same category dont make it so.  No legit car fan will put a game that lacks a factory GTR in the same territory as GT.

 



Hus said:
jarrod said:
Impulsivity said:
outlawauron said:
I think everyone has found an great anaology in Halo vs. Killzone and Forza vs. GT

  Except in the case of Halo Vs Killzone 2 Killzone 2 is the better game then Halo 3 and doesn't sell as well due to the name recognition factor.

 

   On the other hand GT is the best series by far AND has the name recognition.  It's the name AND the quality instead of a split.

Quality arguments are inherently subjective, you'd probably be better leaving them out entirely.  Still, I'd say Forza has gotten a much, much more positive critical response than Killzone has... outside platform evangelists, you won't find any fps nuts putting Killzone on equal ground with Halo, while you will find legitimate gearheads putting GT and Forza in the same territory.

For one Halo3 reviewd higher, saying K2 is better is pointless. 

We all lknow Gt will get better reviews, PD never sacrafice quality.  Alot of their dev time goes into polishing the game till near perfection. 

You saying legit car fans put GT and Forza in same category dont make it so.  No legit car fan will put a game that lacks a factory GTR in the same territory as GT.

 

Well, true gearheads ignore lowly console sims all together I guess.  I'm just saying critically (and commercially actually), Forza's come closer to the venerated competition than Killzone has.