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badgenome said:
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I'm no fan of the Republicans, but there is nothing nutty about being pissed off at a party which chides Bush over his recklessness, then promptly begins its own regimen of orgiastic spending - including more of the bailouts for which they'd hammered Bush - right after coming into power. The only incident at a "tea party" that can even remotely be construed as racist was one in which a black protestor was beaten up by white SEIU thugs.

Whatever deficiencies you might find in these particular protestors, I think there's something rather despicable about a media which treats anti-war protests (which are legitimate but have had more than their fair share of insanity), illegal immigrant marches, violent WTO protests, etc. with a respect that sometimes borders on reverence, but regularly tags these folks with as tasteless a term as "teabaggers".

I agree, US media is very biased and often too informal (like your last line implies). Just that there is legitimate criticism to be made of the Republican position on this, when they claimed moral authority over the subject of these protests. The Democrats, too, have failed. If I was a US citizen would vote Democrat as the least bad option not because I believed them.

 

@outlawauron

Yes. Myself included - the kind of politics I would like would certainly destroy the current system, involving forced nationalisation without compensation of some businesses, public release of all government documents including military plans and police evidence, the banning of politicians from having anything to do with business in any way including talking to people employed by them.



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Soleron said:
badgenome said:
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I'm no fan of the Republicans, but there is nothing nutty about being pissed off at a party which chides Bush over his recklessness, then promptly begins its own regimen of orgiastic spending - including more of the bailouts for which they'd hammered Bush - right after coming into power. The only incident at a "tea party" that can even remotely be construed as racist was one in which a black protestor was beaten up by white SEIU thugs.

Whatever deficiencies you might find in these particular protestors, I think there's something rather despicable about a media which treats anti-war protests (which are legitimate but have had more than their fair share of insanity), illegal immigrant marches, violent WTO protests, etc. with a respect that sometimes borders on reverence, but regularly tags these folks with as tasteless a term as "teabaggers".

I agree, US media is very biased and often too informal (like your last line implies). Just that there is legitimate criticism to be made of the Republican position on this, when they claimed moral authority over the subject of these protests. The Democrats, too, have failed. If I was a US citizen would vote Democrat as the least bad option not because I believed them.

 

@outlawauron

Yes. Myself included - the kind of politics I would like would certainly destroy the current system, involving forced nationalisation without compensation of some businesses, public release of all government documents including military plans and police evidence, the banning of politicians from having anything to do with business in any way including talking to people employed by them.

None of these things have anything to do with fiscally responsible policies......



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Tea party protests... haha I laugh at such spectacles. Nothing but a bunch of manipulated and corrupted opinions formed into a faction. Really I do feel bad for those who actually knew what it was about but considering so few had any idea it is nothing more than silly polarization of the masses for their own self-interests. Of course CNN should have covered it better but it means almost nothing... just shows how worthless public opinion really is.


OT: as for the case of CNN, it's not surprising they are hitting lower ratings. They are so focused on being balanced that they don't have substance anymore. All they care about is having 2 crazy people talking about something on both sides and then having someone slowly work themselves to some kind of median... but not really. And when they aren't doing this they are just showing factual and empirical data with no substance. That's not news... news is not all empirical and obviously not 100% objective. That is their problem. They are too radical to the opposite side of that of Fox and MSNBC. Fox/MSNBC are too much about the opinions and not the facts while CNN is too much about the data than some form of substance material.

Yes American news can never seem to find a median in anything.



Also... MSNBC is more balanced then CNN. I don't know why people think it's the other way.

Probably because they haven't watched CNN lately.


Outside of primetime with Olberman.  MSNBC is a lot more balanced.


Still neither are close to "actual balance."

Still MSNBC is the most watchable.



Kasz216 said:

Also... MSNBC is more balanced then CNN. I don't know why people think it's the other way.

Probably because they haven't watched CNN lately.


Outside of primetime with Olberman.  MSNBC is a lot more balanced.


Still neither are close to "actual balance."

Still MSNBC is the most watchable.

Learn to read between the lines... I was mocking balance not asserting it.  Having two crazy radical slowly worked to a "kind" of median is most certainly not balance. 

Almost like Fox thinks balance is presenting the other side or having one person represent the other side and then taking turns "beating" the crap out of the time on their show.  Then of course announcing balance was there and then defeating the obviously dangerous and biased opposite side.

It's clear Americans in general have no idea what balance is as all it can ever mean to them is 2 radical opinions being displayed and that being it.  As John Daily states, " because obviously there is no middle ground". 



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outlawauron said:
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None of these things have anything to do with fiscally responsible policies......

Correct. However I am politically extreme. So are the Republicans who protested (because of their hypocrisy). Is there anyone who falls into neither category who supported the protests?



Zucas said:
Kasz216 said:
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It's clear Americans in general have no idea what balance is as all it can ever mean to them is 2 radical opinions being displayed and that being it.  As John Daily states, " because obviously there is no middle ground". 

From the perspective of America:

--- Democrat ------------------------------------ Republican ---

From the perspective of Europe:

----------------------- European Centre ------------------------------------------------------------ Democrat/Republican ---

 

Both parties seem ultra right-wing, with little difference between them.

 

 



Soleron said:
outlawauron said:
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None of these things have anything to do with fiscally responsible policies......

Correct. However I am politically extreme. So are the Republicans who protested (because of their hypocrisy). Is there anyone who falls into neither category who supported the protests?

Ron Paul?

Also, for your post below that... That doesn't count for all europeon countries does it?

Because the Conservatives and Labor parties in the UK Both feel right wing compaired to America.. in scary scary ways.

 

Republicans and Demcorats are about equally horrible to me... but in the UK...  Liberal Party is the only way i'd vote.



Yeah, not sure about other countries, but all news channels in America suck balls.



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OK, I'll concede Ron Paul.

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Well, that was the European (UK, Germany, France) status quo about 10-20 years ago. That's certainly changed in the UK, and now both the Conservatives and Labour support similar things, the only difference is charisma and credibility (with Con marginally above Lab on this), not policy. And those things seem to be socially conservative (taking away our rights) and economically inconsistent (being free market but then handing out subsidies and bailouts, and spending so much on useless contractors (read Private Eye)).

Liberal Democrats... have some good ideas, and I'm going to end up voting for them, but our system means they can never form a government. They are the best of the three by a small margin. Historically their problem is that they don't have a single driving policy or position, but instead of fixing that, the other two parties have joined them in the sea of generality and flavour-of-the-month. Which is bad. I'd rather have consistent, honest and wrong politicians than this. At least we could see their failures and blame them.

But none of them is worse than the Republicans/Democrats yet. At least we have the NHS and our education is in a better state. Both are changing for the worse though, starting with paying-for-dentists and the new university fees.