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Final-Fan on 29 October 2007
Words Of Wisdom said:
Final-Fan said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
omgwtfbbq said:

With the main difference that robbery is illegal and importing games is not. So your argument = fail.


And Nintendo was able to raid a modchip factory because...?


Because of draconian copyright laws that are in place in the US because our legislators are coprorate whores and then the US pushes enforcement of its laws around the world.

As a small side note, anyone looking for more information about these things mod-chips, disc limitations, etc. should do some research on the ESA and relatively new ECA groups.


I have to thank you for advising me to do this and not providing links. Performing the search on my own led, as is usual for me, down various side roads and tangents until I came across the legal atrocity of the Macrovision decision.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060816-7517.html

This is exactly why I am so suspicious of copyright-strengthening legislation nowadays. And I have no doubt that the same sort of thing has happened, or is happening, or will happen in other areas that might be nearer and dearer to your heart.



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omgwtfbbq on 29 October 2007
Final-Fan said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Final-Fan said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
omgwtfbbq said:

With the main difference that robbery is illegal and importing games is not. So your argument = fail.


And Nintendo was able to raid a modchip factory because...?


Because of draconian copyright laws that are in place in the US because our legislators are coprorate whores and then the US pushes enforcement of its laws around the world.

As a small side note, anyone looking for more information about these things mod-chips, disc limitations, etc. should do some research on the ESA and relatively new ECA groups.


I have to thank you for advising me to do this and not providing links. Performing the search on my own led, as is usual for me, down various side roads and tangents until I came across the legal atrocity of the Macrovision decision.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060816-7517.html

This is exactly why I am so suspicious of copyright-strengthening legislation nowadays. And I have no doubt that the same sort of thing has happened, or is happening, or will happen in other areas that might be nearer and dearer to your heart.

Thanks for that article. This shows exactly my problem with these kinds of laws. Punish the crime, not the means.

 



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Words Of Wisdom on 30 October 2007
Final-Fan said:

I have to thank you for advising me to do this and not providing links. Performing the search on my own led, as is usual for me, down various side roads and tangents until I came across the legal atrocity of the Macrovision decision.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060816-7517.html

This is exactly why I am so suspicious of copyright-strengthening legislation nowadays. And I have no doubt that the same sort of thing has happened, or is happening, or will happen in other areas that might be nearer and dearer to your heart.


Good grief, I make a suggestion and get chewed out for not spoon feeding it to you? 

Come on, you're a quick one, you can figure out how work google or the like as your link well shows.  Don't be so lazy.



Final-Fan on 30 October 2007
Words Of Wisdom said:
Final-Fan said:

I have to thank you for advising me to do this and not providing links. Performing the search on my own led, as is usual for me, down various side roads and tangents until I came across the legal atrocity of the Macrovision decision.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060816-7517.html

This is exactly why I am so suspicious of copyright-strengthening legislation nowadays. And I have no doubt that the same sort of thing has happened, or is happening, or will happen in other areas that might be nearer and dearer to your heart.

Good grief, I make a suggestion and get chewed out for not spoon feeding it to you?

Come on, you're a quick one, you can figure out how work google or the like as your link well shows. Don't be so lazy.


On the other hand, you're the one telling me to do it -- why not encourage people to follow your advice by making it easier to do so?

Anyway, I wasn't being sarcastic -- I'm literally glad you didn't, in this case, as I otherwise probably wouldn't have found the article I linked to.

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My advice to fanboys: Brag about stuff that's true, not about stuff that's false. Predict stuff that's likely, not stuff that's unlikely. You will be happier, and we will be happier.

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omgwtfbbq on 30 October 2007
Words Of Wisdom said:
Final-Fan said:

I have to thank you for advising me to do this and not providing links. Performing the search on my own led, as is usual for me, down various side roads and tangents until I came across the legal atrocity of the Macrovision decision.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060816-7517.html

This is exactly why I am so suspicious of copyright-strengthening legislation nowadays. And I have no doubt that the same sort of thing has happened, or is happening, or will happen in other areas that might be nearer and dearer to your heart.


Good grief, I make a suggestion and get chewed out for not spoon feeding it to you?

Come on, you're a quick one, you can figure out how work google or the like as your link well shows. Don't be so lazy.

ok now you're grasping at straws. You're calling him lazy? When he actually went and googled and found a link? I don't quite get what the point of this post, as it clearly just shows that you simply don't have an argument. 

 



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Words Of Wisdom on 30 October 2007
Final-Fan said:

On the other hand, you're the one telling me to do it -- why not encourage people to follow your advice by making it easier to do so?

Anyway, I wasn't being sarcastic -- I'm literally glad you didn't, in this case, as I otherwise probably wouldn't have found the article I linked to.

If you have some interest in tech news, you may want to peruse Ars Technica as a news site as its articles are pretty high quality.



Words Of Wisdom on 30 October 2007
omgwtfbbq said:

ok now you're grasping at straws. You're calling him lazy? When he actually went and googled and found a link? I don't quite get what the point of this post, as it clearly just shows that you simply don't have an argument.

I don't like it when people expect others to simply spoon feed them what they should be capable of finding on their own. Anyone with a genuine interest in a subject should be capable of doing their own research on that subject. Final-Fan adequately proved that with an Ars Technica article.

As for your arguments about modchips, you can close your eyes and play pretend all you want but it still won't change the fact that modchips are a means of getting around the product use as designated by the producer's company.



z64dan on 30 October 2007
omgwtfbbq said:
TWRoO said:

@omgwtfbbq: more like they are just stopping people making tools designed for the theft of bread.(despite the fact that no such tools are needed, but that's because the bread analogy doesn't fit)

locking up the whole town would be equivalent to locking up the whole videogaming community (or at least all the developers...but no they would be the breadmakers?)

basically bread stealing doesnt fit.

what should have been is the Wii should be region free, which would give no excuses then (The chips would still be made, but only bought by people wanting to actually play pirate games, not by people who are trying to get games at the same time/price as Japan/USA)

So yes it is partly Nintendos fault that things like Wii-Key are as popular as they are.

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I thought it might be something like that with Brasil - Brazil.....i often try to use the British way of large numbers instead of the American, but everyone gets confused.
1 Billion in American = 1,000,000,000 (or one thousand million) [1X10^9]
1 Billion in British = 1,000,000,000,000 (or one million million) [1X10^12]

1 Trillion in American = 1,000,000,000,000 (or one million million) [1X10^12]
1 Trillion in British = 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 (or one million million million) [1X10^18]

although at least Brazil and Brasil are not so different as to confuse (except isnt there a city in Brasil called Brazil)

you can't make a bloody analogy any more without people taking it farther than you should. The point is, you're gettin rid of those who have the potential to steal, rather than those who are actually stealing.

So you're saying Nintendo should break into a bunch of individual houses and try to stop individual players from illegally downloading games? Sounds like something the RIAA would do (Music Recording Industry).

I think it's hilarious when these thieves (including you omgwtfbbq) try to rationalize their thievery. You know it's wrong to do, so you make up some lame reason why its OK.

Nintendo has every right to raid these factories and sue the companies (Some even in europe, according to that article) that make/sell/distribute/are involved with these modchips on any level of the industrial process.

Why would Nintendo want you to use homebrew anyway? They don't make any money off of that, so that argument is pretty pointless. When you buy the Wii, and read the instruction manual, it specifically states they do not support you modifying the console in any way, so it sounds like YOUR problem if Nintendo just raided your favorite modchip factory, LOL.

Especially the people on these forums, who are in tune with all the game related news should ALREADY KNOW, FOR A FACT, BEFORE THEY PURCHASE THE WII:
1. The Wii is not Region Free
2. Games will be released in different regions at different times
3. Nintendo has every right to (AND WILL) release an update that BREAKS your modded Wii
4. Don't be suprised if Nintendo looks at the purchase records after they raid these factories



Kasz216 on 30 October 2007
z64dan said:
omgwtfbbq said:
TWRoO said:

@omgwtfbbq: more like they are just stopping people making tools designed for the theft of bread.(despite the fact that no such tools are needed, but that's because the bread analogy doesn't fit)

locking up the whole town would be equivalent to locking up the whole videogaming community (or at least all the developers...but no they would be the breadmakers?)

basically bread stealing doesnt fit.

what should have been is the Wii should be region free, which would give no excuses then (The chips would still be made, but only bought by people wanting to actually play pirate games, not by people who are trying to get games at the same time/price as Japan/USA)

So yes it is partly Nintendos fault that things like Wii-Key are as popular as they are.

--------

I thought it might be something like that with Brasil - Brazil.....i often try to use the British way of large numbers instead of the American, but everyone gets confused.
1 Billion in American = 1,000,000,000 (or one thousand million) [1X10^9]
1 Billion in British = 1,000,000,000,000 (or one million million) [1X10^12]

1 Trillion in American = 1,000,000,000,000 (or one million million) [1X10^12]
1 Trillion in British = 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 (or one million million million) [1X10^18]

although at least Brazil and Brasil are not so different as to confuse (except isnt there a city in Brasil called Brazil)

you can't make a bloody analogy any more without people taking it farther than you should. The point is, you're gettin rid of those who have the potential to steal, rather than those who are actually stealing.

So you're saying Nintendo should break into a bunch of individual houses and try to stop individual players from illegally downloading games? Sounds like something the RIAA would do (Music Recording Industry).

I think it's hilarious when these thieves (including you omgwtfbbq) try to rationalize their thievery. You know it's wrong to do, so you make up some lame reason why its OK.

Nintendo has every right to raid these factories and sue the companies (Some even in europe, according to that article) that make/sell/distribute/are involved with these modchips on any level of the industrial process.

Why would Nintendo want you to use homebrew anyway? They don't make any money off of that, so that argument is pretty pointless. When you buy the Wii, and read the instruction manual, it specifically states they do not support you modifying the console in any way, so it sounds like YOUR problem if Nintendo just raided your favorite modchip factory, LOL.

Especially the people on these forums, who are in tune with all the game related news should ALREADY KNOW, FOR A FACT, BEFORE THEY PURCHASE THE WII:
1. The Wii is not Region Free
2. Games will be released in different regions at different times
3. Nintendo has every right to (AND WILL) release an update that BREAKS your modded Wii
4. Don't be suprised if Nintendo looks at the purchase records after they raid these factories


0. Omgwtfbbq hasn't done anything illegal by australian law.  Being an Australian... that means he's fine.  Show where he's a theif

1. Which is illegal in Australia, Modchips that fix this however are not.

2. Yeah.

3. Apparently not in Australia

4. And?  What are they going to do, prosecute someone for doing something that's perfectly legal in their home country?