Samus Aran said: Pharaoh said: @Samus Aran Most of us have gone to college, or as you call it university. Don't believe all your professors, man. Some of them love to promote their views and political beliefs in their classroom. Apparently you have just parroted his beliefs as you see him as an authority figure with credibility. He obviously has a problem with the U.S. and its policies. Don't be a blind sheep and follow whatever he says. Perhaps you should stop being a blind sheep of your government. I don't believe all my professors, only when they back things up and it's not like he's the only one that shares that opinion. Pretty much everyone does here. Yes, the world has a problem with the U.S. Didn't you know?

You seem surprisingingly resolute in the infalability of a majority opinion of local proffessors already proven wrong once in this thread.  (Via the sevreness of past Nuclear Weapons.)

I mean... think about your argument here for a second.  Your basically argueing that the people in Iraq were happy with their dictator who would kill them indisciminatly.

I mean if you think the school systems in america have some great conspiracy to make Bush's main failutre look like a success... I'm guessing you haven't met too many US teachers or proffessors.

I know of the older people that feel that way too Lostplanet.

The thing is... they're a minority compaired to the younger people that way... and a much bigger minority when it comes to their own generation. They're marginal comapired to the vast number of people afraid of a new Russian takeover.

Hell, i've worked for Chinese people who thought Mao ZeDong was a great guy. Claimed "Nobody ever went hungry."  (In truth... their were sevre famines under Mao ZeDongs reign.)

People have believed that Mario is a communist. In super mario bros., he wears a red shirt and brown overalls and every time you finish a level, he raises his red star flag.

Kasz, a lot of Chinese people still think Mao is a great man. I'll even go as far and say that the majority of the Chinese people think he is a great man(He of course was no great man at all). Just look at Mao's mausoleum at Tiananmen Square. I'm also not sure how many people died because of Mao's fault(indirectly and directly), but I think it's a lot higher then what the Nazis ever achieved.

And you're making a false analogy in your other post. Nuclear weapons had nothing to do with it. I'm not saying people were happy with a dictator like Saddam Hussein. I never said anything like that. I'm just saying a lot of people in Iraq were and still are angry at the invasion of America. The country still is a political mess and I don't see much improvement at all.

I never said anything about the school systems in America, I was talking about the American government. Especially the government under Bush(I can't judge Obama just yet)

Samus Aran said: Kasz, a lot of Chinese people still think Mao is a great man. I'll even go as far and say that the majority of the Chinese people think he is a great man(He of course was no great man at all). Just look at Mao's mausoleum at Tiananmen Square. I'm also not sure how many people died because of Mao's fault(indirectly and directly), but I think it's a lot higher then what the Nazis ever achieved. And you're making a false analogy in your other post. Nuclear weapons had nothing to do with it. I'm not saying people were happy with a dictator like Saddam Hussein. I never said anything like that. I'm just saying a lot of people in Iraq were and still are angry at the invasion of America. The country still is a political mess and I don't see much improvement at all. I never said anything about the school systems in America, I was talking about the American government. Especially the government under Bush(I can't judge Obama just yet)

50 Million +.

So yeah, a lot more...

I worked for Chinese people who lived in America and who's parents lived in Canada though.  People who have since had access to real education and knowledge.

 

Also, you've still got it wrong.  A lot of people then weren't angry with the invasion of Iraq.  They were later angry about the invasion after seeing results of Bushs' poor handling.  Opinion polls early on were positive. (Nuetral polls mind you.)  It was thought "Oh the Americans are going to invade, and set up a government, bring over new buisness, help out our economy... Iraq is going to be a lot better."  Then when they found out that Bush was an idiot, who only sent troops to protect stuff we particularly cared about, disbanded the army putting everyone out of work and was slow to do anything to help the actual people.... they got upset. Hell there was great resentment that we didn't "Finish" the job during the Gulf war under Bush 1. 

It's just like in the US.  Most people were for the war when it happend. (Not me... i basically predicted everything that happened.)  After the war happened you had a bunch of people face the unidealized realities and they went  'Hey, maybe this was  a bad idea."  Everyone thought "Oh we'll go in, take out Saddam eaisly, set up a goverment and be out by the end of the week and there will be a parade, and maybe a national holiday and we'll all be safer cause we'll get rid of some deadly weapons terrorists could get their hands... possiblye even nuclear ones.  They'll probably even have a national holiday where they thank us... won't that be great!"

Faced with the reality... that should of been aparent from the start... that's when everyone was against it.  The way people would have you believe it now is that Nobody but Bush wanted to go into Iraq and he dragged the whole country in lock stock and barrel, when in reality MOST people wanted to invade because they were acting all irrational and paranoid because of 9/11.

 

^Not that I'm a big expert in discussed matters, but one thing that bugging me is that some of you use such categories like 'freedom', 'good and evil' and 'hapiness' in the context of political discussion, in other words bringing ethical and culture-specific elements into smth that isn't driven by such categories in the first place, i.e. politics. I'd understand if this was some kind of populist speech...

Well, I hope, my point is clear.

How does freedom and happiness not belong in politics? How can you say such a thing lol?

Kasz216 said: Badassbab said: Kaz, I haven't seen any agreement of when the US will leave Iraq, the Iraqis have for years been trying to get them to agree on withdrawal and the Iraqi public have been wanting it since day one. There are agreements on when the the US will withdraw a large proportion of their army but not completely (which is what the majority of the Iraqi and American people want and if democracy mattered it would've happened years ago). To say the US didn't go in for any other reason other than control of black gold is ignorant. Your reason doesn't hold up to scrunity and no offense but quite laughable. There is an agreement on when they'll leave US.  They signed the agreement right before the US elections took place.  The troops are all supposed to be out by 2012. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/3461368/British-and-US-troops-to-leave-Iraq-by-2011.html

That article doesn't prove your point at all. If anything it's vague and lacks specifics. Not surprising as it's dated 2008 when Bush was still in power. There is no way the US will withdraw completely, they never do unless comprehensively defeated on the political front  by way of mass protests etc (Vietnam) as militarily the're pretty much unstoppable (within reason).

Kasz216 said: I know of the older people that feel that way too Lostplanet. The thing is... they're a minority compaired to the younger people that way... and a much bigger minority when it comes to their own generation. They're marginal comapired to the vast number of people afraid of a new Russian takeover. Hell, i've worked for Chinese people who thought Mao ZeDong was a great guy. Claimed "Nobody ever went hungry."  (In truth... their were sevre famines under Mao ZeDongs reign.)

That is because of he got rid of the class system.

Before him China had still well field systems.

In theory it means you had a field with peasants and one Ruler. Didn't sound like a bad idea because the peasants had the possibility of an sure weekly/monthy income. It ended not that well because the Ruler had all the power and took the majority of the profit. He also could do anything with the peasants he wanted. * Take one of the peasants wives/daughter and marry her even if she didn't wanted. If the ruler didn't liked one he could threw him out or kill him.  If the peasants would start an uproar they will be slaught of the army of the province. In conclusion peasants were nothing more than slaves.

In that time as an peasant you shouldn't hope to live long the average persons didn't got older than 35.

When Mao Zedong got the power he got rid of the system and he made camps who liked as camps for well field systems where all intelligent/educated would be thrown in.  The only ones who could afford those study's were rulers so the peasants didn't saw that as a bad thing. Cause those rulers will now suffer like they did.

Mao zedong saved the lives of hundreds of millions who were known as simply peasants/farmers etc.

It is very hard to see Mao Zedong as an bad guy in the view of the peasants/farmers.

That is why you will find many who like(d) Zedong but that is changing the last years.

I mean their is a reason why Chinese who live not in China like Mao Zedong and see him as an hero.  


A good book how life was an peasant is the book red feast of Lulu Wang. 

Kasz216 said: pastro243 said: Kasz216 said: pastro243 said: Kasz216 said: Ok. Just know that the Spanish version is wrong and not accepted scientifically. Id like to know why then. Well A) It's not the accepted model by the international scientific community. (The big one.) B) North and South America broke apart at different times, from different places. C) The only connection between the two continents of North and South America is the Isthmus of Panma. D) North America and South America each have their own Continental Cores. E) They both have their own Tectonic Plates.   Europe being combined with Asia has more bearing then the two America's being combined ever would. Ok, I understand that, but the way we call the continent isnt given by the way they formed, not speaking from a scientific point of view is actually a continent because of the way they found it. In english they call it the americas because  british called people in their colonies in the continent as americans, so its thier americans and the other americans(latin americans and others). Even if they could be the same continent europe and asia will be europe and asia no matter what tectonic plates indicate, because this is a cultural or historic thing more than scientific when we are speaking oif something like how we call a country. If you want to claim cultural reasons that seems to screw middle eastern people.  Afterall they have their own distinct culture yet have no continent.

It seems you have hard time understanding what Im saying or you just like to twist it so you can look right.
Think of it like this, even if the US was split by tectonic plates no one would say it would be two different countries. The way we name our continents has to do more with historic things rather than the way they were formed, after all they all were together once, thats why america is considered a single continent and people that consider it 2 continents is because of the reasons I stated above.

OT: the reasons why east european people may be put as villians in VG vary depending on the developer or story writer, it could be ignorance, propaganda, or just because, I doubt there is one reason why this happens.