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cdude1034 on 23 October 2007
dtewi said:
So that is (1) less person who could have enjoyed it.

No, they will enjoy it. I'm not removing it from the market.

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"YES THERE IS A GOD DAMNED MISUNDERSTANDING.  You refuse, apparently, to see that you are a parasite on the MARKET even if you are not a parasite to any INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER.  This is at least the third time I have made this point and I demand that you either rebut my argument or accept it instead of F^@%ING IGNORING IT. 

(bold emphasis has been added to the post history to selected passages)"

Well then everybody is a parasite on the market for buying things :-

Will you please explain a little further how I'm am parasitic to the market?



 

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Final-Fan on 23 October 2007
Eomund said:
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In my analogy, he takes a bucket away from one side of the lake to sell to the other for profit. In RL, he takes a Wii away from the store to sell on craigslist for profit. Your objection that he "did not go out of his way to buy a second Wii, he decided to invest in it for profit" is very stupid and frankly disappointing; cdude has specifically stated that he bought the Wii with the sole intention of selling it at great profit and, moreover, intends to apply that revenue to doing it AGAIN with MORE WIIS.

The Flatlake analogy is doing better than ever, thank you very much; with the Flatlake at low levels only people willing to walk to the new lake boundary (i.e. go to the store early) are going to get what they want; cdude's actions cause the people in the area he is taking water from to have to walk further (someone at that store was SOL and will have to keep searching). Again, cdude is depriving people in one place of a resource in order to sell it at profit in another place; he essentially takes a resource hostage and ransoms it to the highest bidder. He is therefore a PARASITE -- but his parasitism is an acceptable loss to any sensible capitalist, and all I ask is that he admits to his parasitic nature.

HAH! That is a laugh! Thanks for a good laugh... I also remember he said that he was in a store and saw one, so he bought it, blah blah blah... I do agree that he bought it for the sole intention of selling it, but my point is...

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH DOING JUST THAT!

You and I simply disagree because of our differring world views. I am in favor of a Free Trade Market. You apparently do not agree with me.

About Flatland: The new lake boundary will keep decreasing until it simply becomes a spring. People will still want the water, but there won't be enough to go around regardless if Cdude gets an extra bucket of water. He is simply getting the water for someone else who wouldn't have gotten to the spring in time. While it might have taken water from the general pool that means nothing, as it replenishes automatically. Also who is to say that the person who doesn't get water because Cdude got an extra bucket couldn't barter with Cdude for the water?

If you want to call him a parasite, its not my business. I simply do not see his actions as parasitic.

And you are welcome for helping you define a new Flatland universe. Go make some money off it! hehe. ;)

 Free Trade Markets are fine with me, and although I think we probably have deeply different political and economic ideals, I believe that you misunderstand my problem with cdude's actions. 

My problem with him is that he claims that he is providing some kind of freaking service to the market, when in fact he is providing service to one individual by the expedient of denying the exact same service to another and profiting from that act.  I have stated several times that this is an acceptable loss to our semicapitalist system, but it remains a LOSS, and all I want from him is that he accept and admit what he is truly doing instead of painting himself as some kind of benevolent businessman.



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Final-Fan on 23 October 2007
cdude1034 said:
dtewi said:
So that is (1) less person who could have enjoyed it.

No, they will enjoy it. I'm not removing it from the market.

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"YES THERE IS A GOD DAMNED MISUNDERSTANDING. You refuse, apparently, to see that you are a parasite on the MARKET even if you are not a parasite to any INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER. This is at least the third time I have made this point and I demand that you either rebut my argument or accept it instead of F^@%ING IGNORING IT.

(bold emphasis has been added to the post history to selected passages)"

Well then everybody is a parasite on the market for buying things :-

Will you please explain a little further how I'm am parasitic to the market?


I have, at great length. Check the thread history for details, as I'm tired of restating my arguments right now.

[edit:  In fact, I SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED AND MARKED IN BOLD my main points that explain why you are a parasite on the market.  Please point out any specific objections you have to my argument.]

And don't act like an idiot, please.
1 person more will have a Wii, because you sold it to him.
1 person less will have a Wii, because you bought it before he could.

Your contribution to the market: 0 Wiis and minus your profit. PARA-FUCKING-SITE.

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cdude1034 on 23 October 2007
Final-Fan said:
cdude1034 said:
dtewi said:
So that is (1) less person who could have enjoyed it.

No, they will enjoy it. I'm not removing it from the market.

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"YES THERE IS A GOD DAMNED MISUNDERSTANDING. You refuse, apparently, to see that you are a parasite on the MARKET even if you are not a parasite to any INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER. This is at least the third time I have made this point and I demand that you either rebut my argument or accept it instead of F^@%ING IGNORING IT.

(bold emphasis has been added to the post history to selected passages)"

Well then everybody is a parasite on the market for buying things :-

Will you please explain a little further how I'm am parasitic to the market?


I have, at great length. Check the thread history for details, as I'm tired of restating my arguments right now.

[edit:  In fact, I SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED AND MARKED IN BOLD my main points that explain why you are a parasite on the market.  Please point out any specific objections you have to my argument.]

And don't act like an idiot, please.
1 person more will have a Wii, because you sold it to him.
1 person less will have a Wii, because you bought it before he could.

Your contribution to the market: 0 Wiis and minus your profit. PARA-FUCKING-SITE.

I sense your patience is weaning. Last time I checked though (1-1 = 0)

Parasites are generally a -1. Think of a dog with ticks. The ticks take from the dog and the dog gets nothing in return.

So in reality, I'm a nothing to the market



 

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NJ5 on 23 October 2007
cdude1034 said:
Final-Fan said:
cdude1034 said:
dtewi said:
So that is (1) less person who could have enjoyed it.

No, they will enjoy it. I'm not removing it from the market.

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"YES THERE IS A GOD DAMNED MISUNDERSTANDING. You refuse, apparently, to see that you are a parasite on the MARKET even if you are not a parasite to any INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER. This is at least the third time I have made this point and I demand that you either rebut my argument or accept it instead of F^@%ING IGNORING IT.

(bold emphasis has been added to the post history to selected passages)"

Well then everybody is a parasite on the market for buying things :-

Will you please explain a little further how I'm am parasitic to the market?


I have, at great length. Check the thread history for details, as I'm tired of restating my arguments right now.

[edit: In fact, I SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED AND MARKED IN BOLD my main points that explain why you are a parasite on the market. Please point out any specific objections you have to my argument.]

And don't act like an idiot, please.
1 person more will have a Wii, because you sold it to him.
1 person less will have a Wii, because you bought it before he could.

Your contribution to the market: 0 Wiis and minus your profit. PARA-FUCKING-SITE.

I sense your patience is weaning. Last time I checked though (1-1 = 0)

Parasites are generally a -1. Think of a dog with ticks. The ticks take from the dog and the dog gets nothing in return.

So in reality, I'm a nothing to the market


1-1 is 0, but 1-1 - your profit is "-your profit". Are you really that stupid? Just admit that you're taking something for nothing!

 



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Final-Fan on 23 October 2007
cdude1034 said:
Final-Fan said:
cdude1034 said:
dtewi said:
So that is (1) less person who could have enjoyed it.

No, they will enjoy it. I'm not removing it from the market.

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"YES THERE IS A GOD DAMNED MISUNDERSTANDING. You refuse, apparently, to see that you are a parasite on the MARKET even if you are not a parasite to any INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER. This is at least the third time I have made this point and I demand that you either rebut my argument or accept it instead of F^@%ING IGNORING IT.

(bold emphasis has been added to the post history to selected passages)"

Well then everybody is a parasite on the market for buying things :-

Will you please explain a little further how I'm am parasitic to the market?


I have, at great length. Check the thread history for details, as I'm tired of restating my arguments right now.

[edit: In fact, I SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED AND MARKED IN BOLD my main points that explain why you are a parasite on the market. Please point out any specific objections you have to my argument.]

And don't act like an idiot, please.
1 person more will have a Wii, because you sold it to him.
1 person less will have a Wii, because you bought it before he could.

Your contribution to the market: 0 Wiis and minus your profit. PARA-FUCKING-SITE.

I sense your patience is weaning. Last time I checked though (1-1 = 0)

Parasites are generally a -1. Think of a dog with ticks. The ticks take from the dog and the dog gets nothing in return.

So in reality, I'm a nothing to the market


 Yeah, -1.  -1 WAD OF CASH YOU SUCKED OUT OF YOUR CUSTOMER.  (Like a tick)

Again:  Please either come up with a rebuttal to my arguments, which I have specifically provided to you at least twice, or admit defeat, or STFU&GTFO. 



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Final-Fan on 23 October 2007

I suspect that cdude1034's arguments have devolved into simple trolling. He hasn't presented an actual case for himself for several posts now. I'm not going to indulge him anymore than to restate my demand for his counterargument.



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cdude1034 on 23 October 2007

It's true my arguments haven't been up to far in the last few posts.

I'm at work right now, so it's hard to come up with a well thought out argument at this time, but I'll post my complete and thought-out rebuttal when I get home in about two hours.

Edit: I lost a wad of cash too, paying for the Wii in the first place. There is no such things as a free lunch.



 

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Final-Fan on 23 October 2007

I'm at work too, about to get off. I'll see your rebuttal when I get home, or maybe later as my commute is only one hour, and destroy your position with my FULLY FUNCTIONAL DEBATELSTATION.



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twesterm on 23 October 2007
cdude1034 said:

Edit: I lost a wad of cash too, paying for the Wii in the first place. There is no such things as a free lunch.


 You only lose a wad of cash if you throw the Wii away.  You don't lose anything if you play it or sell it for profit (and in that case you make money).