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ShadowSoldier said:
Thought that was the dude from Samurai Jack.....Samurai Jack is played by Phil La Mar who also voiced Vamp In MGS4 and MGS2.....Khuutra=MGS Fanboy confirmed?

This one, from an earlier post.

And I do enjoy Metal Gear Solid quite a lot, though MGS4 is not one of my favorite titles from the series.

Also Phil La Marr also plays damn near every black man in video game history. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he was the gun runner from MGS4 as well as Vamp.



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Khuutra said:
appolose said:
To take a quick break from this, guys, I just want to point out how awesome Khuutra's Hades gif was, seeing as all others have neglected to mention it.

Thank you, I'm also quite fond of it.

Love that movie.

I've actually never seen it myself.  If Hades is as hilarious as that gif, I just might have to watch the Youtube version.



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appolose said:
Khuutra said:
appolose said:
To take a quick break from this, guys, I just want to point out how awesome Khuutra's Hades gif was, seeing as all others have neglected to mention it.

Thank you, I'm also quite fond of it.

Love that movie.

I've actually never seen it myself.  If Hades is as hilarious as that gif, I just might have to watch the Youtube version.

James Woods does a wonderful villain, and it really is a great Disney movie. Yes, it's very funny, particularly with Hades.

See it if you can, though I recommend a venue besides Youtube if only because I don't know if you'll be able to appreciate the richness of the animation there.



Tell that to Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, and now Uncharted...



disolitude said:
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darthdevidem01 said:

He obviously NEVER played FF6 or MGS4

The story in Metal Gear solid is more complicated then how WW1 got started. I couldn't follow the story for the life of me. 

Well both, WW1 start reason and MGS story based around the industrial revolution? :)

I mean, MGS would have never happened if not for advancements like Metal Gear Ray...

DON"T WORRY! NANOMACHINES! That's all you need to know about MGS4, thought I'd save you 10 hours, I sure as hell want to be paid in full for those wasted hours.



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I think that if a game is going to be cinematic, the game should atleast tell some of the story during gameplay on the fly. Uncharted(both 1 and 2) did this.



Video game stories are not that good. I think story-heavy games can be enjoyable (I love Phoenix Wright and Apollo Justice. Really hyped for Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth) but the stories are far from high brow. They may be enjoyable in the way that True Blood or animu can be enjoyable for me. Doesn't really mean they have good stories. And I'm not afraid to admit that I can enjoy low brow guilty pleasures. A lot of high brow literature has put me to sleep. That's just how it is. Video games shouldn't be trying to go the high brow route because they will epically fail. There's nothing worse than a pop corn entertainment video game pretending to be some sort of epic high brow masterpiece. There's nothing worse than pretentious screen writers, authors, game scenario writers, etc.



darthdevidem01 said:

Alex Hutchinson, creative director on Army Of Two: The 40th Day has said that linear stories in videogames don't make the grade

Speaking exclusively to NowGamer about the Army of Two sequel, Hutchinson, who spent six years working on titles like the Sims and Spore, told us that videogaming suits narratives generated by players. "One of the things I took from [my time at Maxis] was this idea about the player driving the story, the player driving the narrative and the player being in control of their own game, which is the thing that we do in gaming the best," he said. "Telling a linear story we’re actually crap at. The best story in a game is a terrible movie, it’s made up for by the fact it’s an awesome game. We’re terrible at telling stories, we kid ourselves that we can tell stories. They’re awful, they’re cheesy, they’re shallow, they’re weirdly paced, they have bad endings that are always blowing things up or punching people – we’re not good at that."

“We're terrible at telling stories, we kid ourselves we can tell stories”

Hutchinson believes that players should drive certain elements of the story due to the interactive nature of gaming. "If you ask players – and we saw this at Maxis and you even see it in shooters, which is why I think it’s very applicable – ‘What was the story? What happened?’ they don’t tell you the story, they tell you what they did," he said. He also explained how Army of Two: The 40th Day will try and buck the trend for linearity: "We try to branch it out," he said "‘Do we go left or right, do we go up or down, do we stick together or do we split up?’ – but it’s still reasonably linear. But let people make their own story."

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1532/ea-dev-game-stories-are-crap

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Right....I disagree actually

He obviously NEVER played FF6 or MGS4

Would the storyline of MGS4, if adopted to a TV miniseries or a movie, be considered a great work of film making and win an Emmy or an Oscar?  If not, then how can you hold it up as great storytelling?  As an outsider to the MGS universe, I have to say MGS4 was real good AS A VIDEO GAME story, but compared to other media, it is weak.



disolitude said:
I agree.

95% of games have crap stories. The games that try to put emphasis on story like Gears of war 2 and Uncharted are the worst offenders...cause they often neglect gamplay to tell a semi retarded story.

Of course there are exceptions. MGS1, MGS3, Chrono Trigger, Shenmue, Condemned...etc.

A videogame can survive, if it had a weak story, because of the game element.  As far as Uncharted goes, and Gears 2, I would say HUSH.  I thought both were real good as videogames, and the gameplay wasn't neglected.  MGS series neglects gameplay (particularly as the series went on) FAR MORE than Uncharted or Gears 2.



By the way, "Tetris: The Movie" looks kinda interesting: