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Rath on 24 October 2009
Slimebeast said:
Rath said:
Why do you believe that though? As far as I know there is no evidence for it at all, no theory calls for it and it has never been observed.

It's a bit like Russels Teapot - we can't prove that there isn't a teapot orbiting the sun, we just assume there isn't because there is no evidence that there is.

There must be many theories that are deterministic. Theories that try to explain the probabilistic behaviour of quantum phenomenons. I don't know the names but there's many.

As I said, I beleive it because I don't believe in the concept of randomness.

Can you give me some examples please?



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Slimebeast on 24 October 2009
Rath said:
Slimebeast said:
Rath said:
Why do you believe that though? As far as I know there is no evidence for it at all, no theory calls for it and it has never been observed.

It's a bit like Russels Teapot - we can't prove that there isn't a teapot orbiting the sun, we just assume there isn't because there is no evidence that there is.

There must be many theories that are deterministic. Theories that try to explain the probabilistic behaviour of quantum phenomenons. I don't know the names but there's many.

As I said, I beleive it because I don't believe in the concept of randomness.

Can you give me some examples please?

Multiverse?



Rath on 24 October 2009

Nope.



Final-Fan on 24 October 2009

Slimebeast, you really have to address my point that physicists say they have PROVEN that there is randomness in quantum physics. Not pseudo-randomness like rolling dice, but actual TRUE randomness.

Why do you think they are wrong?



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ultima on 25 October 2009
Rath said:
Why do you believe that though? As far as I know there is no evidence for it at all, no theory calls for it and it has never been observed.

It's a bit like Russels Teapot - we can't prove that there isn't a teapot orbiting the sun, we just assume there isn't because there is no evidence that there is.

If people actually thought this way... there would be no need for religion.



           

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ultima on 25 October 2009

@Slimebeast
According to Bell's theorem, quantum physics is random. Link



           

Slimebeast on 25 October 2009
Final-Fan said:
Slimebeast, you really have to address my point that physicists say they have PROVEN that there is randomness in quantum physics. Not pseudo-randomness like rolling dice, but actual TRUE randomness.

Why do you think they are wrong?

No they havent or else there wouldn't be room for deterministic theories about the universe. And there is.



Khuutra on 25 October 2009

Slimebeast would you say you just don't believe that God plays dice with the universe?



Slimebeast on 25 October 2009
Khuutra said:
Slimebeast would you say you just don't believe that God plays dice with the universe?

lol...



Final-Fan on 25 October 2009
Slimebeast said:
Final-Fan said:
Slimebeast, you really have to address my point that physicists say they have PROVEN that there is randomness in quantum physics. Not pseudo-randomness like rolling dice, but actual TRUE randomness.

Why do you think they are wrong?

No they havent or else there wouldn't be room for deterministic theories about the universe. And there is.

So your response is just "no they are wrong", no criticism of the math but simply the assertion that it must not be true? 



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