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You mean the President who deregulated everything in sight, leading directly to the Savings and Loan fiasco?

[edit:  You know what?  Never mind.  Let's go back to Ron Paul.  How do you reconcile his above statements to what you claim he "really" wants?] 



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For the record, I do agree with some of Ron Paul's stances, such as his consistent opposition to the USA PATRIOT Act. But going back to a bare-bones government is not the right solution.



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Wow I had no idea Ron Paul was that crazy about "the atheist war on Christmas" and all that crap. I mean, I was already gonna vote for Kucinich anyway, but I kinda respected Ron Paul.

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Entroper said:
FreeTalkLive rocks! said:
Parokki said:
I'm about two thirds of the entire political spectrum left from this guy, so I'd much prefer to see one of your less far right candidates like Obama in the White House, but this guy wouldn't be half bad either.
? Ron Paul is not right on the political spectrum. He is in the pro-liberty section. Obama is in the opposite section, and anti-liberty section. Where do you stand? Have a look for yourself. http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

 


Ron Paul is very much to the right on the liberal/conservative scale, and very much to the left on the libertarian/authoritarian scale. The neo-conservatives tend to be to the right on the authoritarian scale. It's as takeru51 said, Paul is a true conservative and not a neocon.


 How can you support the legalization of drugs, abortion, prostitution, and speech and be very much to the right on the political spectrum? Ron Paul is a libertarian which means he is generally for smaller government on econimics issues (like many conservatives) and generally for smaller government on personal/social issues (like many liberals).  See this page for more info, http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html



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Sqrl said:
 

PS - This issue set aside, I hope we can seperate the light hearted debates on video games from this one and understand that even if we can't see eye to eye on a divisive issue, it does not mean we can't still get along. If that were the case I would just as soon not have the discussion since neither of us are really going to change anything here to make it worth effecting the way we deal with each other down the line.


Oh of course. I love having conversations with people that I don't agree with. And I'm an NDPer, so I'm used to people not agreeing!


So I guess you're a big fan of Prof. Layton? Seriously though... is it just my imagination or are most of the PS3 supporters also Republicans (right of center)? I could be totally wrong about that.



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I've met Layton. He's actually a really nice and sincere guy. Read one of his boks too. Good stuff.



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FreeTalkLive rocks! said:
Entroper said:
FreeTalkLive rocks! said:
Parokki said:
I'm about two thirds of the entire political spectrum left from this guy, so I'd much prefer to see one of your less far right candidates like Obama in the White House, but this guy wouldn't be half bad either.
? Ron Paul is not right on the political spectrum. He is in the pro-liberty section. Obama is in the opposite section, and anti-liberty section. Where do you stand? Have a look for yourself. http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

 


Ron Paul is very much to the right on the liberal/conservative scale, and very much to the left on the libertarian/authoritarian scale. The neo-conservatives tend to be to the right on the authoritarian scale. It's as takeru51 said, Paul is a true conservative and not a neocon.


How can you support the legalization of drugs, abortion, prostitution, and speech and be very much to the right on the political spectrum? Ron Paul is a libertarian which means he is generally for smaller government on econimics issues (like many conservatives) and generally for smaller government on personal/social issues (like many liberals). See this page for more info, http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html


Isn't Ron Paul rabidly anti-abortion?  And I thought "speech" was already legal. 

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Final-Fan said:
FreeTalkLive rocks! said:
Entroper said:
FreeTalkLive rocks! said:
Parokki said:
I'm about two thirds of the entire political spectrum left from this guy, so I'd much prefer to see one of your less far right candidates like Obama in the White House, but this guy wouldn't be half bad either.
? Ron Paul is not right on the political spectrum. He is in the pro-liberty section. Obama is in the opposite section, and anti-liberty section. Where do you stand? Have a look for yourself. http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

 


Ron Paul is very much to the right on the liberal/conservative scale, and very much to the left on the libertarian/authoritarian scale. The neo-conservatives tend to be to the right on the authoritarian scale. It's as takeru51 said, Paul is a true conservative and not a neocon.


How can you support the legalization of drugs, abortion, prostitution, and speech and be very much to the right on the political spectrum? Ron Paul is a libertarian which means he is generally for smaller government on econimics issues (like many conservatives) and generally for smaller government on personal/social issues (like many liberals). See this page for more info, http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html


Isn't Ron Paul rabidly anti-abortion? And I thought "speech" was already legal.

 Ron Paul does believe (at least I heard him say it in an interview) that Christian Nations do not launch pre-emptive wars. He said we should never have gone to Iraq and should get the hell out. Ron Paul is anti-abortion but has said it should be left up to each state to decide the legality, not the Federal authority. Speech is legal (I hope) still. Drugs aren't unless you people are inclined to give them to you for nothing.



fkusumot said:
Final-Fan said:
FreeTalkLive rocks! said:
Entroper said:
FreeTalkLive rocks! said:
Parokki said:
I'm about two thirds of the entire political spectrum left from this guy, so I'd much prefer to see one of your less far right candidates like Obama in the White House, but this guy wouldn't be half bad either.
? Ron Paul is not right on the political spectrum. He is in the pro-liberty section. Obama is in the opposite section, and anti-liberty section. Where do you stand? Have a look for yourself. http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

 


Ron Paul is very much to the right on the liberal/conservative scale, and very much to the left on the libertarian/authoritarian scale. The neo-conservatives tend to be to the right on the authoritarian scale. It's as takeru51 said, Paul is a true conservative and not a neocon.


How can you support the legalization of drugs, abortion, prostitution, and speech and be very much to the right on the political spectrum? Ron Paul is a libertarian which means he is generally for smaller government on econimics issues (like many conservatives) and generally for smaller government on personal/social issues (like many liberals). See this page for more info, http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html


Isn't Ron Paul rabidly anti-abortion? And I thought "speech" was already legal.

Ron Paul does believe (at least I heard him say it in an interview) that Christian Nations do not launch pre-emptive wars. He said we should never have gone to Iraq and should get the hell out. Ron Paul is anti-abortion but has said it should be left up to each state to decide the legality, not the Federal authority. Speech is legal (I hope) still. Drugs aren't unless you people are inclined to give them to you for nothing.


Yeah, and I'll admit that, as a libertarian, his support for the states' being able to decide on abortion probably isn't code for "because we win on the state level and lose on the federal level". That makes him a rare breed of Republican indeed. But that still doesn't make him in favor of "legalizing abortion".

BTW I took the same test you did. -4.25, -4.15 here. But some of the questions were strange, hard to answer accurately, obviously loaded, or what-have-you; in short, I question the accuracy and possibly bias of it. Still, hanging with my peeps Gandhi and Nelson isn't bad at all.

[edit:  I like the test in this post's history better.  It's got simple, clear questions and a simple, obvious bias (pro-libertarian).  Much better IMO than the other one, although the website of other one has some interesting things to say.]


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FreeTalkLive rocks! said:
Entroper said:

Ron Paul is very much to the right on the liberal/conservative scale, and very much to the left on the libertarian/authoritarian scale. The neo-conservatives tend to be to the right on the authoritarian scale. It's as takeru51 said, Paul is a true conservative and not a neocon.


How can you support the legalization of drugs, abortion, prostitution, and speech and be very much to the right on the political spectrum? Ron Paul is a libertarian which means he is generally for smaller government on econimics issues (like many conservatives) and generally for smaller government on personal/social issues (like many liberals). See this page for more info, http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html


That's pretty much what I said. The word "conservative" has come to mean "conservative and authoritarian" because of the neocons.  That's not how I use it, though.

Paul is against abortion, but he feels it should be up to the states to regulate it. Also, as a medical doctor, he believes drug addiction should be treated as a medical problem, not a criminal activity, just like alcoholism. You don't have to be a liberal to realize that the war on drugs is completely retarded.

Final Fan, you left out a huge part of that quote regarding separation of Church and State. Here it is:

Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life. The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation’s history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before putting their faith in the state.

Sounds a little different with that part added doesn't it? Paul believes the government should neither prohibit nor mandate any religious activity. That means you can't outlaw school prayer, but neither can you force the kids to participate or pass a state/local law requiring that public schools have a prayer session.