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Final-Fan said:
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Final-Fan said:
@ slimebeast: Bush, along with a new administration in S. Korea at about the same time, actually antagonized N. Korea and reversed progress that had been made. So I disagree with respect to that country at least.

Huh? The US convinced the N Koreans to lay down it's nuke program years before Obama was even considered a President candiate.

I'm talking about like back in 2000 or thereabouts, there was a lot of progress being made, people crossing the border for work, S. Koreans funding/operating (?) a factory in N. Korea, stuff like that (I'm fuzzy on the details), but then a new S. Korean administration decided to say "screw you NK!" and shut things down, and the Bush administration was not exactly helping the situation.  So this could easily be seen as inciting or at least encouraging the N. Korean bad behavior of that decade.  

Or so I've heard.   

I loved that administration in South Korea lol.

But anyway, the Bush administration also fixed the whole thing with the N Korean nuke threat long before the Democrats came to power.

(hint: they didn't want to be demolished like Afghanistan and Iraq)



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pastro243 said:

Bush was the worst thing to happen to Rise Agaisnt.  All their albums started sounding the same and old.

 

No wait that's Antiflag.



That's a decent point, at the very least something like that that was recently in the headlines could easily have made some exec(s) skittish whether or not it was reasonable to happen in the case of that story.

But, on a side note, IIRC the documents (in the Rather situation) were brought into question, not the "story" as in what the documents allegedly, ah, document being proven false. Rather filed a lawsuit to prove the documents were NOT faked which just recently got thrown out of court because Rather couldn't show that he was harmed by CBS.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090929/tv_nm/us_rather_cbs_1



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That's a decent point, at the very least something like that that was recently in the headlines could easily have made some exec(s) skittish whether or not it was reasonable to happen in the case of that story.

But, on a side note, IIRC the documents (in the Rather situation) were brought into question, not the "story" as in what the documents allegedly, ah, document being proven false. Rather filed a lawsuit to prove the documents were NOT faked which just recently got thrown out of court because Rather couldn't show that he was harmed by CBS.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090929/tv_nm/us_rather_cbs_1

Got a better article for that?  Because that's not what this article is saying.

That article is saying that because of the documents being false... rather then CBS taking full responsibility as well for greenlighting the story they didn't give Rather as much work as they promised via his contract making him a scapegoat.

Either way... the documents were proven false... and the actual sotry was proven false more or less...

http://factcheck.org/article140.html

Rather is just bitter because he should be remembered as one of the nations best newscasters but he blew by letting his own politics filter in and released a story without proper verification... in fact they were telling rather that the documents weren't authentic... it wasn't even a matter that he was sloppy.  It's that he ignored his own verification crew.  Rather basically pulled a Bush.  With "Deserting" being his "WMDs".  He ended up taking the same giant drop in approval ratings.  It's really actually ironic and another lesson... if Bush wasn't a big enough one... make sure to be extra hard on information when it supports your point of view.


In general it seems Bush served for a while, left for Alabama then got grounded likely for drugs and/or drinking and ended up doing non-flying duties from then on out... then suddenly got it all out of the way because he wanted to go to harvard.

Not exactly a distinguished military career... but he wasn't a deserter.


I mean the biggest argument against it is... the guy who forged the documents "saw bush's file in the trash."

Does that make any remote sense?  Getting rid of highly sensitive must be gotten rid of documents... by just throwing the thing whole into an open wastebasket that people walk by?



Well, I won't bother to fight over what the Salon article does and doesn't say about the documents vs. the story being fake; I'll take your word that the stuff factcheck checked is the entirety of what Rather's report was about since I honestly didn't pay too much attention to the details either then or later.



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Well, I won't bother to fight over what the Salon article does and doesn't say about the documents vs. the story being fake; I'll take your word that the stuff factcheck checked is the entirety of what Rather's report was about since I honestly didn't pay too much attention to the details either then or later.

Salon report?  All i saw is a Yahoo report... maybe i missed one.

Either way, all signs just point to Rather being bitter... even though he knowingly went with something that his own verifers said was likely false.

It's really ironic in a way.



This thread is going to be HUGE by the time it's done.



@ Kasz: oops, that was the other one I looked at that I didn't link. Point stands



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