Greatest scientific evidence for evolution?

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Dr.Grass on 09 October 2009

Im over this

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ManusJustus on 09 October 2009

Dr.Grass said:

YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT ARCHEOLOGY DO YOU!!???

I'm sure he knows jack about DNA.

Maybe if any of you actually had a science degree then I would take you seriously.

I guess I should have put Dr. in my name and make stupid comments, then people would take me seriously.

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Dr.Grass said:
OMG. Look this tread is not helping anyone, but I've got to make some comments.

Archeology:
"Look, fossils are had to argue against, we have found repeatedly and with good stead the same story over an over again, life evolves. Have we ever found a dinosaur and a human in the same place dated at the same time? No. "

YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT ARCHEOLOGY DO YOU!!??? If you knew anything at all then you would know that the fossil record is in shambles. There are hardly any ape-men fossils, and MANY experts argue strongly that the fossils are either ape or human and not a cross breed. We're not talking about a fully formed fossil as the ignorant imagine. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SINGLE THIGH BONE IN SOME CASES. Evolutionists have proposed whole new species just on a thigh bone to fill in the blanks. COMPELLING EVIDENCE INDEED.

AND HERE COMES THE MOST IRONIC THING: There HAVE been many sites with both human and dinosaur fossile side by side. They've just been covered up. Read FORBIDDEN ARCHEOLOGY.

Then we have to deal with posts like:
"Yea I can't necessarily cite off any evidence right now (too lazy) but some of the best evidence we have now is backed up in DNA evidence. I think this is really what has convinced many that this is a credible explanation for the origin of species. It's hard to argue DNA evidence haha. Not to mention evolution has been studied and tested numerous times and been proven correct every single time."

I'm sure he knows jack about DNA. Did all cars come from the same source just because they share the same features/parts? There are other explanations. And this is what stupid F*#+ING poeple just don't get: Just because the evidence suits the model doesn't mean the model is right. MAYBE THE MODEL WAS DESIGNED TO FIT THE EVIDENCE. HOW CAN THE EVIDENCE THEN PROVE THE MODEL?

Maybe if any of you actually had a science degree then I would take you seriously.

I do have a science degree - Computer Science, but take me seriously anyway!

BTW "Just because the evidence suits the model doesn't mean the model is right. MAYBE THE MODEL WAS DESIGNED TO FIT THE EVIDENCE. HOW CAN THE EVIDENCE THEN PROVE THE MODEL?"

That's the point of scientific process - you keep trying to break the model and if you do you modify or discard the model, you do this until you have a model that you can't seem to break.

Elegant and simple IMHO.

Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

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Kasz216 on 09 October 2009

highwaystar101 said:

Kasz216 said:

highwaystar101 said:

Kasz216 said:

highwaystar101 said:

Baroque_Dude said:

I understand your point but still the whale hasn't problems.

It does have problems, the whale is really just a transitional creature. If it was 'created' to live in the sea why would the creator give it lungs when gills would do the job just as well? The lungs are just a constant problem, it has to keep resurfacing, fish don't have to surface.

The cetacean branch of evolution (Dolphins, Whales, porpoises, etc...) all have the same attributes that support that cetacean creatures once lived on land. Genetically they bare far more resemblance to land mammals than they do fish. the Cetacean creatures all fall under the Cetartiodactyla order, which is a group of animals that includes not just whales, dolphins and porpoises but also land mammals such as hippopotamuses. We've even found staged cetacean fossils in Pakistan that show the transition from land mammals to sea mammals.

Just out of interest the attributes that these animals share are defined as...

1. Their need to breathe air from the surface;

2. The bones of their fins, which resemble the jointed hands of land mammals; and

3. The vertical movement of their spines, characteristic more of a running mammal than of the horizontal movement of fish.

Why wouldn't he give him lungs? I mean... i believe in evolution and all... but your argument here is kinda silly.

I mean why would a creator have to do everything logical and most functional. Why couldn't they be whimsical every now and again?

My argument isn't silly.

I understand your point and I accept that a creator can be whimsical and outrageous, but my original point was that the attributes that cetacean branch such as whales and dolphins possess are similar attributes to certain land mammals as opposed to fish. We have sufficient evidence to demonstrate the transition from land mammals to water mammals. To me all the evidence supports the fact that whales and dolphins were not created, they evolved from other animals.

I'm not talking about that argument. I'm talking about the "why would he give them lungs!" argument. If animals were just magically poofed into existance... there is no reason why he wouldn't give some water guys lungs. I would. I'd give land animals gills too.

Oh, ok. My fault, I know you accept evolution and so you accept the argument of whales going from land to water. You're just playing devils advocate for a side argument, aren't you.

Either way my original point about evolving from land to seas still stands.

Someone I once knew had the saying "Being right doesn't give you the excuse to have a bad arguement."

Said philosphy is why i try and study nearly everything one should have an opinion on. Stuff should never be believed simply because it's believed.

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Rath on 09 October 2009

Hahaha, Dr.Grass' last post is hilarious =P

@Kasz. There is no problem with saying that God could have created whales as they are for his own amusement, but if so I believe that asking for transitional species is an impossible task. You're asking for something and if it's found all that is said is 'God could have done it like that'. It's setting up a situation where it is impossible to find what is being asked for.

(and yeah I realise you're playing the devils advocate here)

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Kasz216 on 09 October 2009

Rath said:
Hahaha, Dr.Grass' last post is hilarious =P

@Kasz. There is no problem with saying that God could have created whales as they are for his own amusement, but if so I believe that asking for transitional species is an impossible task. You're asking for something and if it's found all that is said is 'God could have done it like that'. It's setting up a situation where it is impossible to find what is being asked for.

(and yeah I realise you're playing the devils advocate here)

Oh yeah. Asking for a transitional species is also a stupid arguement... but enough people were already tackling why that was a bad argument.

Though actually there are transitional species out there still so to speak.

For example I believe their are some forms of octopus and squids that evolved from other Octopus and Squids that still exist in their original form.

I also have a science degree so people should take me seriously.

... Okay it's a social science degree... but thats still science... kinda.

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highwaystar101 on 09 October 2009

Dr.Grass said:
OMG. Look this tread is not helping anyone, but I've got to make some comments.

Archeology:
"Look, fossils are had to argue against, we have found repeatedly and with good stead the same story over an over again, life evolves. Have we ever found a dinosaur and a human in the same place dated at the same time? No. "

YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT ARCHEOLOGY DO YOU!!??? If you knew anything at all then you would know that the fossil record is in shambles. There are hardly any ape-men fossils, and MANY experts argue strongly that the fossils are either ape or human and not a cross breed. We're not talking about a fully formed fossil as the ignorant imagine. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SINGLE THIGH BONE IN SOME CASES. Evolutionists have proposed whole new species just on a thigh bone to fill in the blanks. COMPELLING EVIDENCE INDEED.

AND HERE COMES THE MOST IRONIC THING: There HAVE been many sites with both human and dinosaur fossile side by side. They've just been covered up. Read FORBIDDEN ARCHEOLOGY.

Then we have to deal with posts like:
"Yea I can't necessarily cite off any evidence right now (too lazy) but some of the best evidence we have now is backed up in DNA evidence. I think this is really what has convinced many that this is a credible explanation for the origin of species. It's hard to argue DNA evidence haha. Not to mention evolution has been studied and tested numerous times and been proven correct every single time."

I'm sure he knows jack about DNA. Did all cars come from the same source just because they share the same features/parts? There are other explanations. And this is what stupid F*#+ING poeple just don't get: Just because the evidence suits the model doesn't mean the model is right. MAYBE THE MODEL WAS DESIGNED TO FIT THE EVIDENCE. HOW CAN THE EVIDENCE THEN PROVE THE MODEL?

Maybe if any of you actually had a science degree then I would take you seriously.

Was this post aimed at me? Because I did a bachelor of science and I'm currently doing a joint masters to PhD. So yeah, I have a science degree somewhat.

I mean what have you been reading? Apemen fossils, you hardly show any knowledge about about archaeology yourself do you. Did we evolve from apes? Because this is news to me.