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aragod on 04 October 2009
ironman said:

Have you gone daft? Have you even bothered to read a word I've said? In case you didn't notice, Windows is a Microsoft software...NXE just so happens to be a MS product as well. I'm not going to say it again, so if you don't get it this time, then I guess our conversation is over. The word exclusive = being of a singular entity, MS is a singular entity. Therefore, all games exclusive to MS software/firmware = exclusive. Got that? if not, go back and read every post I've made, I believe I clarified that in most of them. Now, you can argue symantics all day, but by it's very definition, "exclusive" is 1. anything that is made to run on MS software/firmware only. 2. Anything that is made to run on Sony software/firmware only. 3. anything that is meant to run on Nintendo software/firmware only.

Keeping in mind that a PC is NOT a gaming console (I think we already cleared that up with my friend Webster), that fact right there makes the OP's and your ENTIRE argument moot. Which makes me question why you kept arguing your point that games made for PCs and 360s are NOT exclusives because PCs are consoles. Generally speaking when a person says a game is exclusive, they are referring to it being exclusive to a gaming console and are excluding things like cell phones, PDAs, handhelds, and PCs.

That having been said, I really don't think you have a leg to stand on...but like I said, if you don't get what I am saying by now (good god you are worse than some of the Wii people, with them I only had to explain things three times) then too bad, you have been given every opportunity to understand, and yet you keep coming back trying to twist my words to say something that fits your own purposes, unfortunately, if you read everything I said, then what you quote, when put into context, doesn't say what you want. 

 

Lol I just read in some other thread your oppinion about people beeing dumb and unreasonable. Well done mister, you've just proven your point.



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shio on 04 October 2009
ironman said:
shio said:
nofingershaha said:
MAFKKA said:
ironman said:
MAFKKA said:
ironman said:
dsister44 said:
So LBP and Gran Turismo are no longer exclusives?

not according to MAFKKA's logic.

So am i right or wrong?

 

You are wrong. If one were to use your flawed logic, then dsister would be correct. In which case, very few games would actually be exclusive.

You can argue that a game that is exclusive to 360 and PC is a MS exclusive, that is the point I am trying to make here. I really don't know how I can spell it out any clearer than that.

 

@Shio, how nice of you to show up...but what I was saying is refering to games that are also made for the 360, Since it can only be run on a Windows platform, It is a MS exclusive.

But a game that is PS3/PC shatters that logic. How can PS3/PC be MS exclusive? It can not, since there's no such thing as MS exclusive. Its a made up word when all else failed. You cant add a definition to an absolute word when talking specific areas of use. If you want to name it something else thats fine. But the word exclusive can not be used when divided. You can call it 360/PC Only game.

And stop nitpicking, you've ignord lke 7 posts of facts. You just answer the things you see fit, because they help your case. The same thing with your made up words and definitions and false facts. Just end it already.

You haven't considered that most pc games now are being forced to utilize the Microsoft license Games for Windows. Not to mention more games are now utilizing Windows Live (also being forced by Microsoft). If Microsoft is getting royalties from pc releases, it is still Microsoft exclusives.

At the least it may not be exclusives to us as consumers but it is exclusive to Microsoft as a business.

That is complete BS right there. 99.9% of PC games are NOT using GFW brand, and I'm surprised how anyone thinks that. What you just said certainly shows that you almost nothing of PC gaming.

AND MICROSOFT DOESN'T GET ANYTHING FROM PC DEVELOPERS!!!! PC devs don't give a crap about MS, and don't pay a dime to MS.

No, but the ports from 360s are. Those are the ones that are relevant to this discussion.

@maelstrom, it is kinda hit and miss with freeware to run games on Linux, even so, the games were created for a windows, and the Linux software emulates parts of the windows system. Which is why I didn't bother with that aspect. (btw, I am running wine in Ubuntu studio, so I know about it)

 

You sound more and more ignorant about PC gaming. Microsoft doesn't regulate anything! They don't have a say about PC games, nor do they get any money from them. Easily the majority of console ports on PC are not using GFW, and GFW covers an extremely tiny amount of games (102) compared to the thousands of games made already throughout this gen.



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Shoestar on 04 October 2009

I agree with OP on that.... I have a PC... it is my main gaming platform... not my wii... not the psp... neither was the DS I don't have anymore... Starcraft and Diablo are PC exclusive... Mass effect wasn't X360 exclusive as I played it.

Halo 3 and Fable II so far are X360 exclusive I'd like to get my hands on. DC universe online is not PS3 exclusive either as a matter of fact.



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Shoestar on 04 October 2009

What some people don't realise is that games for windows like age of empires III or fable, even though they come out on PC also come out on Mac. Check apple store for the huge availability of games available for MAC PCs.



I am a Gamer... I play games and not consoles. I have a PC and Console on which I game... I like games. End of Story!

WereKitten on 04 October 2009

ironman said:

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Keeping in mind that a PC is NOT a gaming console (I think we already cleared that up with my friend Webster), that fact right there makes the OP's and your ENTIRE argument moot. Which makes me question why you kept arguing your point that games made for PCs and 360s are NOT exclusives because PCs are consoles.

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This baffles me. You quoted the definitions from Webster's, but did you read them? Or did you consider that a single entity can satisfy multiple definitions at the same time?

Because I'm pretty sure that a PC for gamers is "an electronic system that connects to a display (as a television set) and is used primarily to play video games".



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Reasonable on 04 October 2009
WereKitten said:

ironman said:

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Keeping in mind that a PC is NOT a gaming console (I think we already cleared that up with my friend Webster), that fact right there makes the OP's and your ENTIRE argument moot. Which makes me question why you kept arguing your point that games made for PCs and 360s are NOT exclusives because PCs are consoles.

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This baffles me. You quoted the definitions from Webster's, but did you read them? Or did you consider that a single entity can satisfy multiple definitions at the same time?

Because I'm pretty sure that a PC for gamers is "an electronic system that connects to a display (as a television set) and is used primarily to play video games".

I'm afraid Ironman is happlily bending definitions and facts to suit his view rather than actually taking the time to see they are not truly malleable in that manner.

An exclusive is an exclsuive.  You can put qualifiers on it due to specific circumstances - such as 'console exclusive' but in every case the qualifier excludes it also being a pure representation of the true definition.

You can say a PC is X and a console is Y, which are really qualification definitions, or you can see each is an electronic device, using visual display and aural outputs, capable of performing a set number of functions.   In the case of the PC the number of functions is higher, and in the case of games they both happen to support the same function in essentially the same manner.

 



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MAFKKA on 04 October 2009

@ ironman - I dont care if PC mainly is for gaming or not, based on webster or any other site. The PC is a platform no matter what, so if games are released on it aswell as other computing hardware or software, it is by default multiplatform. I mean, phones dosent mainly do games, but there are games on them. So if a PSP GO mini game were to be released in the same shape and form on the iPhone touch, it would've been released on two different platforms, regardless of whether or not the iPhone is a gaming device.

And like someone said, PC is NOT a MS platform. In that case Word of Warcraft would be a microsoft exclusive acording to your logic?! And its not. So once again.. you fail in your atempt to try and redefine already know definitions and words, just so that it'll suit your arguments.



ironman on 06 October 2009

Ugh, where to begin, All of you completely missed what I said MULTIPLE times, WINDOWS IS A MICROSOFT PLATFORM, NXE IS A WINDOWS PLATFORM, GAMES RUN ON EITHER ARE RUN ON A WINDOWS PLATFORM. The PC itself is not a MS platform, but then, you are all confusing the PC hardware and the MS OS. Many (if not all) ports cannot be run on anything but windows (natively) and are, therefore, a MS exclusive. This of course is IF you really believe that a PC is a console.

Now, as for a PC, it is not a console, the reason being, they are a processing unit, they do more than just play games, they run a completely different set of parameters. Even IF you have a PC whose main purpose is to play games, do you surf the web on it? Do you Photo shop on it? Do you write documents on it? Do you download things on it? Can you use if for recording studio quality music, Do you use it to edit videos, can you use it to run CAD programs like Solid Works and Catea? A console has ONE main purpose, A PC has MANY...even IF you claim yours has one main purpose, it does not, OEM computers are designed to do MANY things that involve computing, You can build your own computer with parts mainly designed for gaming, but the processor, and motherboard are not optimised for gaming alone. (The motherboard may be tuned for gaming, but it is still able, ready, and easily made to do some pretty heavy processing on other fronts.) You know what's even better, if I had YOUR gaming rig, chances are, I would NOT use it for gaming, in fact, I would use it for Drafting...I could then say that "my (your)" PC is now for drafting, meaning it is "an electronic system that connects to a display (as a television set) and is used primarily to play video games Draft solid 3D Models." See what I did there, I took your gaming rig, and turned it into my Drafting rig. You can't do that with a console, a console has ONE specific purpose for EVERYBODY, a PC can be many things to many people.



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heruamon on 06 October 2009

I'm going to create my own Capt. Obvious thread!



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ironman on 06 October 2009

OH! OH! Can I come!!!!



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