Crafty. However, I say this, what manufacturer software/firmware is used to play these games?

So its MS Platform exclusive now? So it can be PC exclusive and MS platform exlusive at the same time? And it is a Windows XP-Win7 exclusive at the same time aswell? How does that even work? Haven't we clarified the word Exclusive good enough for you?

Why cant you just settle for the word exclusive like everyone else, and by the rules that the word brings? Adding MS Platform Exclusive to every title that comes with the right exceptions and regulations seems a little far fetched when the word Exclusive already exsists.

Why cant it just be called 360/PC Only? Because that is more true and by definition the right choice of words. A MS Platform Exclusive title dosent make a game more valid or attractive, since it can't help define a platform or make Average Joe aware of where the game can be played. He might think its a Zune game. So a Only on 360/PC title is the right choice of word.

There's no single answer to that question, nor do I know the various companies that made or assisted in various PC and console softwares/firmwares. I assume by that you mean operating systems though. It's irrelevant to the point I'm making though, but if you'd like to enlighten me to why it matters in the context of my post, I'm all ears.

dude this thread has 130 replies I'm not reading them all. Sorry if I re-stated whats been said. That's just my thoughts.

dude this thread has like 135 replies or something I'm not reading all that. Sorry if I re-stated what's been said. Thats just my thoughts.

By golly I don't think I have ever seen this topic before.   Good work my man.

Have you gone daft? Have you even bothered to read a word I've said? In case you didn't notice, Windows is a Microsoft software...NXE just so happens to be a MS product as well. I'm not going to say it again, so if you don't get it this time, then I guess our conversation is over. The word exclusive = being of a singular entity, MS is a singular entity. Therefore, all games exclusive to MS software/firmware = exclusive. Got that? if not, go back and read every post I've made, I believe I clarified that in most of them. Now, you can argue symantics all day, but by it's very definition, "exclusive" is 1. anything that is made to run on MS software/firmware only. 2. Anything that is made to run on Sony software/firmware only. 3. anything that is meant to run on Nintendo software/firmware only.

Keeping in mind that a PC is NOT a gaming console (I think we already cleared that up with my friend Webster), that fact right there makes the OP's and your ENTIRE argument moot. Which makes me question why you kept arguing your point that games made for PCs and 360s are NOT exclusives because PCs are consoles. Generally speaking when a person says a game is exclusive, they are referring to it being exclusive to a gaming console and are excluding things like cell phones, PDAs, handhelds, and PCs.

That having been said, I really don't think you have a leg to stand on...but like I said, if you don't get what I am saying by now (good god you are worse than some of the Wii people, with them I only had to explain things three times) then too bad, you have been given every opportunity to understand, and yet you keep coming back trying to twist my words to say something that fits your own purposes, unfortunately, if you read everything I said, then what you quote, when put into context, doesn't say what you want. 

The only exclusive games coming out now adays are on the Wii (and handhelds).  Everything coming out on PS3/360, as we have seen, are just going multi-platform or being re-released on the other platform with 'enhancements'.  And many 360 games are being ported to the PC and vice versa.

But most games made first for the Wii, DS and PSP are staying on those formats.  The reason?  They sell well on those systems.

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@Ironman

One, the PC is not a MS platform. MS simply provides the OS, others provide the GPU (Nvidia, ATI), etc. You cannot declare it is an MS platform. It is a general computing platform requiring multiple parties.

Two, few PC titles can be claimed to be MS titles on PC. For that they would need, I would argue, to be published by MS or use GFWL. For example when I buy L4D2 direct from Valve via Steam all money goes to Valve. I use Valve's services to play it. The OS is essentially as irrelevant to this as the video card - needed, but not having ownership of the title.

You're trying to twist MS's fairly small, and regarded by majority of PC gamers increasingly irrelevant position regarding gaming on PCs, into something major, and you're wrong in that I'm afraid.

The PC isn't a MS platform, it isn't anybodies platform exclusively (you were almost arguing that well but tripped yourself up by then overstating MS position).  MS simply has a 'virtual' monopoly on one element of a PC, but there is still the motherboard, the GPU, the HDD, etc. etc.  You can't suddenly decide the OS vs the HW components determine the platform.

Three, 360/PC or PS3/PC titles are not full exclusives. They are most similar to 'timed exclusives'.  Why?

A full exclusive would require you to have one specific platform (specific to gaming like a console, or general purpose but capable of gaming like a PC) to play it on. Halo 3 is a full exclusive at this point, as is Gears 2. You want those, you MUST have a 360. Uncharted and Killzone 2 are full exclusives, you want those, you MUST have a PS3. World of Warcraft is a PC full exclusive - you want it, you MUST have a PC (or hit the internet cafes with a lot of cash).

Sorry, but I'm not interested in folk deciding they can determine a word's usage.  Exclusive means single, sole.  I do accept we need, by necessaity, to consider special cases due to the nature of titles being 360/PC or PS3/PC, but those special cases by definition are clearly not going to satisfy the conditions of being a true and proper exclusive.

Mass Effect, Bioshock and the like are similar to timed exclusives - they deny access via some platforms but do not lock you down to one, exclusive platform.  Also, I'd note that, increasingly such titles really are timed exclusives. Bioshock on PS3, Fallout 3 DLC hitting PS3, etc.  When something has an expiry date when its conditions can change it cannot be declared anything other than 'temporary'.

I don't have 360 because the majority of titles I'd want on the system are on PC, and I have a PC capable of letting me enjoy those titles in a manner I find preferable.  Therefore it's pretty obvious those titles do not fulfill the main criteria of a full, proper exclusive - I must have the single, sole, one and only platform they are available on to be able to play them.

But I don't, I have a choice, I can chose one platform (general purpose including gaming) over another (gaming specific - sorta - platform) - and therefore they are not full and proper exclusives.

And please, give it a rest with MS platform nonsense. I might has well look at the nVidia tech in consoles and PCs and declare them nVidia platforms.

Consider that Valve, a relatively small company comapred to MS, has a more influential position than MS for PC gaming, has a much strong presence as a service provider than MS for PC gaming, look at the position of MMO's like WoW, etc.  and you can see how relatively small MS place in PC gaming is.