HIghwaystar's statistics are more valid than yours, though there is probably no definate study out there that clears everything up.

And how do you come to that conclusion Manus?

It's comparing areas less similar, with populations less similar... and it's more valid?

Say again?

Let's see, hmm, one thing stands out... Oh yeah, it's not even about homicide rates...

Your graph is about violent crime, not homicide. Do you think they picked violent crime on purpose, violent crimes likely does not involve guns, it can be anything from a guy picking a fight in a bar to a guy mugging someone. Seems like a cherry picked thing to me.

It also goes to discredit your point as you used the violent crimes figures to disprove homicide figures. the two things are unrelated.

Why is the thread broken?

You can better compare characteristics of like countries, such as the United States with the United Kingdom and Canada, than you can compare unlike states, such as Wyoming with Rhode Island.

Urban and rural differences make a huge difference in statistical outcomes.

You broke it in the reply right before it got broken. Edit your post.

Also. Look at the two links i provided rather then the graph then.

It simply is Murder rate and Level of Handgun ownership.

You'll have to do the math yourself.

There is no "like country" to the United States.

I cant even edit it.

You can better compare the United States with
Canada and the United Kingdom than you can
compare Wyoming to Rhode Island.

No like country to the United States?

Yeah, because the population of countries like Canada is so different.

New Yorkers have more in common with people living in

Toronto than people living in Wyoming.

The United States, and Canada and the UK are very different.

Way more different then say.

South Dakota and North Dakota.

South Dakota has far better gun control laws then North Dakota.

North Dakotaians own more guns.

South Dakota has way more murders per capita.

You can compare "like states" and you still show no pattern.