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outlawauron on 28 September 2009
blunty51 said:
outlawauron said:
blunty51 said:

Hey tell me something, how come all the pitchers get the bad rap when they place it exactly where the catcher says, but still gets hit? I mean I see some of these poor guys pitching exactly what they're told, then they go to the bullpen because of a hit, that the catcher called for. Is it because the coach sees that the hitters see the delivery as too predictable (wind up etc) or is it a lack of justice? I mean how the game is now you wouldn't exactly switch out the catcher for better pitching decisions because it's not convenient with the roster.

Because it's the job of the pitcher to control how the ball reaches the point. There are several different types of pitches that will completely change how you have to hit the ball, even though it's going to end up in the same spot.

Yea I know but I was asking why they get the bad rap even if they pitch what the catcher wants, where he wants.

Because when he threw a curveball, he should have thrown a slider.



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Kasz216 on 28 September 2009
Rath said:
Yeah population-wise India pretty much guarantees that cricket has a far larger number of fans. Not only is the population huge but a huge amount of the population love cricket, it's worse than us Kiwi's with our rugby, I swear.

I dunno.

 

Afterall China has a baseball league.



Rath on 28 September 2009
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Yeah population-wise India pretty much guarantees that cricket has a far larger number of fans. Not only is the population huge but a huge amount of the population love cricket, it's worse than us Kiwi's with our rugby, I swear.

I dunno.

 

Afterall China has a baseball league.

China is nowhere near as into baseball as India is into cricket, cricket is practically a religion in India.



Onyxmeth on 28 September 2009
blunty51 said:
izaaz101 said:
blunty51 said:
LOL, they call it 'Tea' but it's really a 'break'
And to be fair, Cricket is formly played internationally in Australia, England, West Indies, Sir Lanka, China, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, South Africa, UAE, Namibia, Ireland, U.S.A, New Zealand, Canada, Kenya, Bangladesh, Scotland & Netherlands.

Compare that to baseball.

Going by the countries who participated in the World Baseball Cup this past summer: Netherlands, Australia, Canada, China, Croatia, Cuba, Czech Republic, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Japan, Korea, Mexico, Nicaragua, Puerto-Rico, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, USA and Venezuala. This leaves out many countries that play baseball, but did not participate in the World Baseball Cup this past year.

I had fun playing both sports, but baseball is much better in my opinion.

Whoa that's a lot. But do they play at international level on a regular basis? Out of the ones I named, at least 11 does

The World Baseball Classic is held once every four years and is more of an exhibition tournament. MLB players do not put their A game forward because they could risk injury leading up to baseball season mere weeks later. It's not nearly as important as the yearly season is in the MLB. All american players that want to can revert back to their country of origin, so teams are not actually formed completely from current professional players of that particular country. For instance, the Seattle Mariners' slugger Ichiro Suzuki played for Team Japan, not Team USA. To be fair though, Team Japan actually was formed almost completely from Japanese professional players playing within Japan. Countries like Venezuela had 2/3rds of their roster consisting of current MLB players. This is allowed to even out the team's rosters so Team USA and Team Japan don't dominate everything.

As far as I can tell, that list is incorrect. The following teams played in the 2009 World Baseball Classic. Expect a few new countries to be added to the mix in 2013 though:

Australia, Canada, China, Chinese Taipei, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Italy, Japan, Korea, Mexico, Netherlands, Panama, Puerto Rico, South Africa, USA, Venezuela



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blunty51 on 29 September 2009
Rath said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Yeah population-wise India pretty much guarantees that cricket has a far larger number of fans. Not only is the population huge but a huge amount of the population love cricket, it's worse than us Kiwi's with our rugby, I swear.

I dunno.

 

Afterall China has a baseball league.

China is nowhere near as into baseball as India is into cricket, cricket is practically a religion in India.

Definitely. India and Pakistan and two countries where practically the only sport they play is cricket.



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blunty51 on 29 September 2009
Onyxmeth said:
blunty51 said:
izaaz101 said:
blunty51 said:
LOL, they call it 'Tea' but it's really a 'break'
And to be fair, Cricket is formly played internationally in Australia, England, West Indies, Sir Lanka, China, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, South Africa, UAE, Namibia, Ireland, U.S.A, New Zealand, Canada, Kenya, Bangladesh, Scotland & Netherlands.

Compare that to baseball.

Going by the countries who participated in the World Baseball Cup this past summer: Netherlands, Australia, Canada, China, Croatia, Cuba, Czech Republic, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Japan, Korea, Mexico, Nicaragua, Puerto-Rico, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, USA and Venezuala. This leaves out many countries that play baseball, but did not participate in the World Baseball Cup this past year.

I had fun playing both sports, but baseball is much better in my opinion.

Whoa that's a lot. But do they play at international level on a regular basis? Out of the ones I named, at least 11 does

The World Baseball Classic is held once every four years and is more of an exhibition tournament. MLB players do not put their A game forward because they could risk injury leading up to baseball season mere weeks later. It's not nearly as important as the yearly season is in the MLB. All american players that want to can revert back to their country of origin, so teams are not actually formed completely from current professional players of that particular country. For instance, the Seattle Mariners' slugger Ichiro Suzuki played for Team Japan, not Team USA. To be fair though, Team Japan actually was formed almost completely from Japanese professional players playing within Japan. Countries like Venezuela had 2/3rds of their roster consisting of current MLB players. This is allowed to even out the team's rosters so Team USA and Team Japan don't dominate everything.

As far as I can tell, that list is incorrect. The following teams played in the 2009 World Baseball Classic. Expect a few new countries to be added to the mix in 2013 though:

Australia, Canada, China, Chinese Taipei, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Italy, Japan, Korea, Mexico, Netherlands, Panama, Puerto Rico, South Africa, USA, Venezuela

Ah, but is there a difference beween World Baseball Classic and World Baseball Cup?



blunty51 on 29 September 2009
outlawauron said:
blunty51 said:
outlawauron said:
blunty51 said:

Hey tell me something, how come all the pitchers get the bad rap when they place it exactly where the catcher says, but still gets hit? I mean I see some of these poor guys pitching exactly what they're told, then they go to the bullpen because of a hit, that the catcher called for. Is it because the coach sees that the hitters see the delivery as too predictable (wind up etc) or is it a lack of justice? I mean how the game is now you wouldn't exactly switch out the catcher for better pitching decisions because it's not convenient with the roster.

Because it's the job of the pitcher to control how the ball reaches the point. There are several different types of pitches that will completely change how you have to hit the ball, even though it's going to end up in the same spot.

Yea I know but I was asking why they get the bad rap even if they pitch what the catcher wants, where he wants.

Because when he threw a curveball, he should have thrown a slider.

Ok ok check it....say for example: the catcher wants a splitter low and away....the pitcher does exactly that but the batter manages to bloop it just over the infield for a single.....then the coach takes the pitcher out of the game and goes to the bullpen. Why didn't he just stick with him? It's not his fault, the catcher called for the pitch, and even tho it was a fluke at-bat, the pitcher is the one that's penalized....and when I say that I mean taken out of the game. So I was just wondering where the justice is there.



FaRmLaNd on 29 September 2009

From the very brief research I've done Cricket appears to be the second most popular sport in the world behind soccer. Not that anything I've read is definitive.



izaaz101 on 29 September 2009
blunty51 said:
Onyxmeth said:

The World Baseball Classic is held once every four years and is more of an exhibition tournament. MLB players do not put their A game forward because they could risk injury leading up to baseball season mere weeks later. It's not nearly as important as the yearly season is in the MLB. All american players that want to can revert back to their country of origin, so teams are not actually formed completely from current professional players of that particular country. For instance, the Seattle Mariners' slugger Ichiro Suzuki played for Team Japan, not Team USA. To be fair though, Team Japan actually was formed almost completely from Japanese professional players playing within Japan. Countries like Venezuela had 2/3rds of their roster consisting of current MLB players. This is allowed to even out the team's rosters so Team USA and Team Japan don't dominate everything.

As far as I can tell, that list is incorrect. The following teams played in the 2009 World Baseball Classic. Expect a few new countries to be added to the mix in 2013 though:

Australia, Canada, China, Chinese Taipei, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Italy, Japan, Korea, Mexico, Netherlands, Panama, Puerto Rico, South Africa, USA, Venezuela

Ah, but is there a difference beween World Baseball Classic and World Baseball Cup?

Yes, there is. This is a tournament that occurs every 2 years (at least recently, from 2001. It's switched from being played every year, to every 4 years, with some unusual gaps in between). Players are not MLB players, like those in the World Baseball Classic, but are usually professional players.



outlawauron on 29 September 2009
blunty51 said:
outlawauron said:
blunty51 said:
outlawauron said:
blunty51 said:

Hey tell me something, how come all the pitchers get the bad rap when they place it exactly where the catcher says, but still gets hit? I mean I see some of these poor guys pitching exactly what they're told, then they go to the bullpen because of a hit, that the catcher called for. Is it because the coach sees that the hitters see the delivery as too predictable (wind up etc) or is it a lack of justice? I mean how the game is now you wouldn't exactly switch out the catcher for better pitching decisions because it's not convenient with the roster.

Because it's the job of the pitcher to control how the ball reaches the point. There are several different types of pitches that will completely change how you have to hit the ball, even though it's going to end up in the same spot.

Yea I know but I was asking why they get the bad rap even if they pitch what the catcher wants, where he wants.

Because when he threw a curveball, he should have thrown a slider.

Ok ok check it....say for example: the catcher wants a splitter low and away....the pitcher does exactly that but the batter manages to bloop it just over the infield for a single.....then the coach takes the pitcher out of the game and goes to the bullpen. Why didn't he just stick with him? It's not his fault, the catcher called for the pitch, and even tho it was a fluke at-bat, the pitcher is the one that's penalized....and when I say that I mean taken out of the game. So I was just wondering where the justice is there.

I can't think of an single instance where a MLB or NCAA coach would pull a player.

 

The only circumstance I can see a coach pulling the pitcher in this situation is:

1. He'd been making bad decisions the entire game. The pitcher can tell the catcher no, and to switch to another signal.

2. He's tired and can not throw with the same edge/speed and needs rest.



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And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

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