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kowenicki said:
@zucas

why is that different to cricket?

I'm almost positive I didn't make a distinction between sport.  I'm pretty sure all I did was explain that when a force is put upon another force it only will have more force afterwards.  That only makes sense.  I didn't say it was for one sport at all. 



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blunty51 said:
Zucas said:

"contribute to each game's merits"

Instead you spent the entire OP contributing to cricket's merits (which is reasonable) and the rest discrediting the other sports.  That's a logical contradiction.  Your sentence is thus self-defeating.

I'm sorry but I can't defy logic here and all of a sudden think that this thread was actually created for what you are trying to insinuate now.  I simply came in and followed the thread and gave the merits to the sport I knew about.  In no place did I ever decide to bash cricked or show how baseball ups it in any case. 

But I have, with logic to back me up, questioned your motives and knowledge of baseball due to the way you have presented yourself and the topic.  And considering you also did state you were bias I would say my questioning is not only confirmed but really begs the question of why you are even defending yourself on this.  You acknowledge early on you didn't seek to be logical because you were affirming your bias first. So that's a second logical contradiction

 

You should instead be thanking me for giving the merits of the other sport in question while not taking shots at the other which is what you originally asked for.  And you shouldn't contradict yourself (twice actually).  Either you came in here to give the merits of both or you didn't.  Either you came in here to be logical or you came in here to be bias.  Either way, it is quite obvious to see where my questioning of your character and the nature of this thread has arisen.  Now please show me that you simply worded things wrong and meant to put it another way.  Either way, doesn't matter to me.  I've presented myself correctly in this thread, pointed out the merits of the sport I know about and not tried to deny the other or talk about it ignorantly, and kept a firm but respectful composure.

I didn't say that *I* was going to state each games merit's, I said "let's". Which includes me, but I already stated a bias so I stuck on the cricket side, the rest is up to you all. I thought this was obvious, but clearly it is not, at least for someone like you. At no point you ever stated that you don't know anything about cricket. So essentially, you were doing the same as you thought I was doing.

From my original post:

 

It might be easy for someone on the outside to be able to call something easy but until you really play it competitively, you are just speaking out of your ass. Which is why I will not simply call Cricket and easy sport that a bunch of silly men play.

 

I'm not going to call what it is (which I should because it was rude) but that is not a good way to formulate an argument.  And even if I hadn't made that statement up there, which I did of course, I in no way ever used any of my posts to discredit something else out of any form (whether ignorance or not).  So stating that I was doing the same as you simply isn't true. 

 

Now I don't want to further derail the topic off-subject because that is not my intention here.  My intention was to point out the merits of baseball which i know about and then point out the flaws and contradictions of another's arguments because it is necessary in debate to know who you should listen to and who you shouldn't.  If you really want to keep denying logic then please PM me or put a wall post about it.  But I will have respect for your thread and let it continue as is.



kowenicki said:
fastest bowl 101mph

fastest pitch 103mph

I dont get your point zucas

To be precise.

Bowl - 101.9

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_fastest_bowl_ever_bowled_by_a_bowler_in_cricket

Pitch - 104.8

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/fastest-pitcher-in-baseball.shtml



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Ye theres barley any difference, whats your point?



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It seems that you Mr. Zucas, take threads VERY SERIOUSLY. Unfortunately this was meant to be a light hearted thread which I was joking about in first couple lines of the OP, then moved very loosely throughout. I didn't spell out everything to your you. I'm sorry if this is thread is not to your liking, but of course you had to come in here and express your widespread knowledge of the english language and nitpick about 'logic', the word of the day. You're just like one of those I see on forums that just comes to derail a thread with nitpicking just to get your post count up.



FootballFan said:
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Ye theres barley any difference, whats your point?

For the sake of correctness and having a source.



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baseball. i cant stand when cricket comes on tv... but i like playing rounders



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.

Well back on topic, of course it will be moderately difficult to talk about cricket as I don't have a vast knowledge of the sport. However, I can give some more details about baseball. Highest career average of any baseball player is Ty Cobb with a .367 batting average. Meaning the best hitting baseball player by average didn't even hit the ball 4/10 times when he went up to bat. Even considering back when Ty Cobb played where pitching wasn't necessarily as "good" as it is today. And I don't mean that in a slandering term but simply because they didn't have many variances of pitches as they do today. Simply meaning professional baseball players still only hit the fastball 3 out of every 10 times for a solid base hit. Whether you acredit that to the pitching or the defense is really a tough one.

But that doesn't take anything off the hitting. Average ERA for starting pitching in a season for baseball is generally in the 3.00 to 5.00 range. Meaning the hitting is still getting the job done. Not to mention usually your best hitters will have a .300 average, 30 home runs, and 100 RBI's in a solid season. But it is still obvious the game is in the pitcher's control because hitting is just so difficult in the MLB.

Pitchers still have a lot of work to get where they are. Nowadays the fastball is not enough to get most hitters out. Well if you can't use it interchangeably. Being able to have a good offspeed pitch as a "weapon" is a tactical way to approach a batter. Such as starting off a batter with a changeup on the outside corner and then slamming inside with a fastball up and in is a great way to throw a batter off balance. So for pitchers it isn't only about going up there and hurling all your best pitches for strikes but also ensuring that you have a strategy on how to get each batter out. Generally those decisions come from the catchers though as they call the pitches. They generally know all their pitchers and the batters they are facing and formulate an "attack" to best get them out.

Batters also have a "plan" at the plate but it's not as extensive as the pitcher/catcher. Simply because of the lack of time to react. Have about 4/10 of a second to react to a 90 MPH fastball at the distance.

So for batting and pitching it is quite obvious that aside from the strength and training aspect, there is are numerous amounts of balance, technique, and even strategy that are involved in even one at bat in a game. Although I mention technique, haven't really gone over proper technique for pitching and hitting. It's actually quite extensive. There are numerous ways to hit and pitch, but there is generally only one way to do it well haha. And then doing it numerous times repeatedly in a game over and over again with changing scenarios is where the practice before the season matters.



trashleg said:
baseball. i cant stand when cricket comes on tv... but i like getting around

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