There is nothing, NOTHING racist about being anti-immigration.

It doesn't matter if you are white, asian, middle-eastern or black.  If you dislike a certain race that is racism.  If you think your country is fine with it's current demographic and has economic need for immigrants, that is not racism.

true, its called Xenophobia!

sorry, had to

problem is, what Slimebeast was saying wasnt simply anti-immigration, but anti-anyone foreign being allowed into any nation (BNP policy support) also, supporting the BNP stance is highly offensive to me, as they would try and kick me and my friends out for not bieng "white christian anglo saxon decent"

so, to be honest, trashleg and me have EVERY right to be very angry at what he said, please do not defend people with such hateful views

also, the UK does have economic need for immigration, they arent many skilled workers in the UK, migrants can do those jobs that brits dont want to do and probably do it better than some of us too, not to mention any freeze on immigration here will significantly impact our EU relations, which in turn will hit trade and thus our economy.

So you're openly admitting a pre-existing ignorance on the issues of war and monarchy?

Do you realise that in the three responses you gave to my last response one was duty-dodging and another was debate-dismissal?

BRITAIN WENT TO WAR IN AFGAHNISTAN!!!  You can not like this.  You can hate this, but this happened.  It has nothing, NOTHING to do with America.  It has nothing, NOTHING to do with the hardships facing other nations and peoples.  But this is something that a country, led by a left-wing Prime Minister did, and now is morally obliged to fix, or alternatively surrender any claim to moral decency it cares to make in the next couple of decades.

As for the Monarchy.  Even without taking into account all the trade, political, humanitarian and charitable benefits the Royal Family brings to the IK each year, the UK tax office EARNS more from them than they spend EVERY year.  By a factor of around 4-5, income from the various use of Royal estates outweights what the UK spends on the Royal Family's allowance.  Now you might say "hey that's our land anyway."  But legally it is not and has never been.  And if you attempted to make it so, you would open up a legal minefield making it necessary to examine thousands (perhaps millions) of hereditary estate claims across the country.

So on the Monarchy at least, consider your cost arguments debunked.

As for taxation, be specific.  What sort of progressive tax increase are you talking about?  Honestly in order to see a noticeable difference I think you're going to cost the economy billions that will make your entire spending agenda irrelevant.  But if you give me some numbers to play with and model maybe I can find you some research highlighting just what it will cost to put in place your ideals.

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I didnt defend what slimebeast said, I made no reference to what slimebeast said.

What I did was oppose a simple statement of Trashleg's and that is that on it's own, opposition to immigration does not in any way make or imply that someone is a racist.

Most taxes should be abolished. Law enforcement and defence is all we need. If we legalised drugs, law enforcement costs would be drastically cut.

Leave welfare to charities, they are far more capable than any government is.

A 50 K salary leaves you with ~35K after tax. On a regular 9-5 Mon-Fri job, the government takes everything from 9am Monday to lunchtime Tuesday. Then they take Tuesday afternoon in VAT assuming I spend all my money VAT only goods. If I spent all my money on petrol I'd be left with about 10K.

What gives any government the right to steal upto 80% of somebody's wealth?

its not ignorance you prat, its a two sided issue, there is no definitive answer, its not like nuclear power where you can show me evidence to counter my mis givings

The US wanted the war, not us, we just went with what they and NATO said, we could have said NO

Tony Blair is not left wing, stop being stupid, New Labour are called New preciesley because they arent left wing anymore...

clearly you dont care about any of the issues i have with the conflict (either that or you decided to ignore them)

how? if they wanna keep there land then fine for all i care, just take there power, status and taxpayer income away

also, why the fuck do you care? you already said you dont live here, what difference does it make to you what status they have?

taxation as i said, my views are based primarily off what i read and see on tv/newspapers, also, like I said, we can probably make the systems work better on current budgets too.

okay, but as I pointed out, opposing it completley is somewhat niave and stupid

so far as im aware, the government dont take 80% of anyones income, nor am I ever going to suggest such a stupid measure.

dont be soo stupid, most charitys dont have anything like the money or resources to provide education and healthcare and welfare, I cant see any of them in fact being able to do so.

Great, name calling. You're getting more mature about this by the second.

Every single idea you have come up with fundamentally ignores the fact that though the UK could have said no like you said, it actually said YES!!! New Labour is definitely left wing by Tory standards. They may not be as left wing as you'd like, but either way they went to war in your name. In a democracy you wear the good and the bad decisions your government makes. And then you try to make the best of them. If cutting and running on a situation you helped create at the expense of millions of poverty stricken and war-torn people you plunged into misery is your idea of progression, then that's another story altogether. That makes you heartless rather than ignorant.

I'm sorry by the way. What power is it the Royal Family has that offends you? Did you read what I wrote? Even ignoring the MASSIVE trade, tourism and prestige benefits the Royal Family brings to the UK every year (I believe that between them they engage in some 3000 meetings and the like every year), the UK Treasury PROFITS to the tune of ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILLION POUNDS OR MORE EVERY YEAR from the Royal Family's estate. In other words, even in directly tangible terms the people of the UK MAKE money from the royal family rather than losing it.

Not if there is no economic impedus to accept it.

But in the UK's example I happen to agree with you.  There should be a measured amount of immigration for skills purposes.