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Final-Fan on 25 September 2009

You are argueing that the 50.4 million democrats who see Israel as an enemy are mostly from the south and anti semites....

DESPITE the fact that the Republicans who draw much more from the south only have 5.5 Million people who see Israel as the enemy.

Whoa whoa whoa.

First off, if 7% is 50.4 million, then there are 720 million Democrats? Not in America my friend.

1% being 5.5 million makes 550 million, not much better IMO.



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Final-Fan on 25 September 2009

OK, I want to say I'm sorry for not noticing that "Sept. 22" is different from "Sept. 25".

Didn't mean to resurrect anything...



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Kasz216 on 26 September 2009
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
It's because liberals are more likely to see Israel - and especially Israels current conservative government - as the cause of quite a few problems in the middle east.

I don't hate Israel, however I would consider their current government an enemy in the sense that they are an obstruction to the process of peace. (ie. not as a military enemy, but as a diplomatic obstruction).

Which is something Avinish disagrees with.  He doesn't think Liberals are the ones who see Israel are the enemy of the United States.

Which is my point.  You hate their government.

Personally I kinda think Israel is solving more problems then it's causing.  Right now the rest of the middle east is united.  In hating Israel.

If they ever got rid of Israel, or stopped having that hatred to bring them together... things could get quite destablized.

So ... by considering the government of the previous administration in my own country as undermining peace in various parts of the world ... I really was hating America?!
Fox News was right!   

America's government changes every 4 to 8 years.

Israel's policy on Palestine has been consistant for 30+ years.



Kasz216 on 26 September 2009
Final-Fan said:
You are argueing that the 50.4 million democrats who see Israel as an enemy are mostly from the south and anti semites....

DESPITE the fact that the Republicans who draw much more from the south only have 5.5 Million people who see Israel as the enemy.

Whoa whoa whoa.

First off, if 7% is 50.4 million, then there are 720 million Democrats? Not in America my friend.

1% being 5.5 million makes 550 million, not much better IMO.

Eh, it's 72 Million democrats and 55 Million republicans.

The ratios are still correct.

To argue that Liberals aren't these people who see Israel as then enemy is an asnine statement.

I mean, Liberals more the any other group perfer Palsetine to Israel.



Final-Fan on 26 September 2009
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
It's because liberals are more likely to see Israel - and especially Israels current conservative government - as the cause of quite a few problems in the middle east.

I don't hate Israel, however I would consider their current government an enemy in the sense that they are an obstruction to the process of peace. (ie. not as a military enemy, but as a diplomatic obstruction).

Which is something Avinish disagrees with.  He doesn't think Liberals are the ones who see Israel are the enemy of the United States.

Which is my point.  You hate their government.

Personally I kinda think Israel is solving more problems then it's causing.  Right now the rest of the middle east is united.  In hating Israel.

If they ever got rid of Israel, or stopped having that hatred to bring them together... things could get quite destablized.

So ... by considering the government of the previous administration in my own country as undermining peace in various parts of the world ... I really was hating America?!
Fox News was right!   

America's government changes every 4 to 8 years.

Israel's policy on Palestine has been consistant for 30+ years.

But you're still equating deep policy disagreement with hating a nation?  



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Kasz216 on 26 September 2009
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
It's because liberals are more likely to see Israel - and especially Israels current conservative government - as the cause of quite a few problems in the middle east.

I don't hate Israel, however I would consider their current government an enemy in the sense that they are an obstruction to the process of peace. (ie. not as a military enemy, but as a diplomatic obstruction).

Which is something Avinish disagrees with.  He doesn't think Liberals are the ones who see Israel are the enemy of the United States.

Which is my point.  You hate their government.

Personally I kinda think Israel is solving more problems then it's causing.  Right now the rest of the middle east is united.  In hating Israel.

If they ever got rid of Israel, or stopped having that hatred to bring them together... things could get quite destablized.

So ... by considering the government of the previous administration in my own country as undermining peace in various parts of the world ... I really was hating America?!
Fox News was right!   

America's government changes every 4 to 8 years.

Israel's policy on Palestine has been consistant for 30+ years.

But you're still equating deep policy disagreement with hating a nation?  

In the case of Israel and Palestine?  Yeah.

Its praticaly like abortion in it's divsivness...

and calling someone your enemy is hating them.  It's not like your saying you disagree with them.  You are calling them an enemy.  Enemy and disagree are two very different things.



Final-Fan on 26 September 2009

"in the sense that they are an obstruction to the process of peace"

To me that sounds more like Rath means "opponent" than the meaning of "enemy" you're ascribing to him.

Did the poll actually say "enemy"? What was the actual question?



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Kasz216 on 26 September 2009
Final-Fan said:

"in the sense that they are an obstruction to the process of peace"

To me that sounds more like Rath means "opponent" than the meaning of "enemy" you're ascribing to him.

Did the poll actually say "enemy"? What was the actual question?

The poll question had 3 choices


Ally

Nuetral

Enemy

 

Pretty clear cut.



Final-Fan on 26 September 2009

So what would be the logical answer for Rath to give, or some other person who sees Israel's actions as being detrimental and opposed to our interests?

Ally? Doubt it.
Neutral? Makes no sense.
Enemy? OMG YOU HATE ISRAEL



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Kasz216 on 26 September 2009
Final-Fan said:
So what would be the logical answer for Rath to give, or some other person who sees Israel's actions as being detrimental and opposed to our interests?

Ally? Doubt it.
Neutral? Makes no sense.
Enemy? OMG YOU HATE ISRAEL

Neutral makes perfect sense.


Enemy means that one nation is antagonistic to another.  Actually out of that countries downfall.

An ally is one that means that country works with another country for their well being.

A Nuetral country is one that neither works with or against the government of your country but instead on their own for their own goals.

 

Even if they see their actions as detrimental to our interests they are not working out of malice or directly trying to make things worse for us.  So they qualify as Nuetral.

 

I mean otherwise there is no such thing as a "Nuetral" nation.  I mean name one country in the world that doesn't either help or hurt our self interests.