LOL. LOL. I was talking about gameplay. LOL. It's confirmed by ALL media that GT5P used excessive extra effects in photomode and replay mode. Hence the massive jump in FPS and resolution. LOL. Lets compare ACTUAL gameplay shall we. We already know Forza 3 looks the same in video as it does in photomode or replay mode. LOL. Nice try though. Like the way you find the worst pic to. LOL.

You'll noytice the lighting takes away any realism from GT5. To be honest though it is hiding low textures in the environments. Both these videos are from off screen gameplay. As you can see Forza 3 looks photorealistic.

Gran Turismo Gameplay:

Forza Motorsport 3:

EDIT: And considering Forza 3 is doing such a good job of defeating the competition in graphics. Check this out. This is like sex.

I was going to have a look at the vids but I thought nah demo out tomorrow that should be enough.

@ selnor

Those videos aren't doing you any favors.

I can admit Forza has better physics, damage and customization. Why can't you admit GT5 has better graphics?

LOL. Dude I dont know what your watching. It's pretty clear to me that Forza 3 looks more real. The colours are better during gameplay to. I'm only talking gameplay. Because GT5 looks significantly different to it's trailers and CGI E309. Forza 3 has proven all along its screenshots were never bullshots. GT5 hasn't.

Alright then, so here's your argument in a nutshell.

"LOL, LOL, every screen of GT5 is teh CGI/bullshots/replay LOL GT5 always look better when direct comparison is made cuz all GT5 are bullshot, LOL look at tiny crappy quality off screen footage LOL GT5 still look better but trees are more real looking to me than buildings so Forza win, LOL"

Forget it OkeyDokey. This entire thread, IMO, is nothing more than a fanboy tribute to its choice game. Not a bad thing, not at all. It would be better if the completely biased assumptions about that 'other' game werent made, though.

So what your saying is dont go off gameplay, just go off screens and replays. Even then You can find good shots and bad shots of both games. The majority of time is spent in gameplay, so that is where the graphics matter. Is it not?

@ Ryusuken:

They aren't biased assumptions. They are facts. Polyphony have always put in alot of effects to replays and photomode.

"it really is breathtaking at times, and all at 1080p and 60fps (although replays are half that, with added extra effects like motion blur)."

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2008/03/27/gran-turismo-5-prologue/

If you cant see a difference between the actual gameplay footage and the tribute video made by Polyphony, than there really is no end to fanboyism. It's like me calling the following all ingame footage of Forza 3. Notice how this looks just as good as the Polyphony enhanced GT video of the Ferrari. Extra reflections, depth of field etc. Cmon man. I dont use this video to say how good Forza 3 looks. Even if it is based on the game engine. LOL.

honestly GT5 looks better and the physics that zones posted for forza 3 is laughable.

But let's not forget that both will be boring.driving around a track at a slow speed.yuppieeee that's really fun,,,,not.go play dirt 2 people :P

these are my opinion btw.

Those physics your refferring to are important to the players of this type of game. Because it makes it far more realistic. It may not matter to you to have aerodynamic turbulance, but it matters to the type of players these games attract. For instance to have your cars handling affected as you come up behind another car at 150mph is realsitic. First time ever for any racing sim. Not even in Simbins games has this level of physics been attempted.

The looks are your opinion. But to me 1 looks like a game. And one looks pretty real. Gameplay I'm talking about.

Your 'facts' may change, unless you came from the future and saw the final product. The entire community knows how biased you are, no questions asked. My mind is open about this, and I will wait to compare both when they are out, spec by spec, and not by fanboyish eyes.

I forgot...some time ago you had the following (or something like it) in you sig, about your avatar:

"A god behing the wheels"

Just shows that when you like to use definitives, you're likely to get frustated in the end, for Hamilton prooved to be a mere human, specially when McLarren didnt provide a competitive car this year(lets not forget that Ferrari's mistakes did deliver Hamilton the championship last year, and that is a FACT no fanboy can argue about withou taking the hole lot of mistakes commited by Ferrari, mistakes/errors never commited  when Schumacher was driving for them).

Why do I use this? Simple: When both are out, i.e. in our hands to play, and IF GT5 prooves to be superior, you'll be prooven wrong, yet again, and then become a target for retribution on your assumptions, and will have a flame war in here and so on, nothing constructive, only payback for big mouths and egos going around. Just saying here. Keep your opinions, but before going all out on something you dont know for sure, wait for fair(REAL) facts to do a comparison.