I gave up when he started listing historical scientists who believed in God. Newton believed in alchemy! It doesn't make it true!

I gave up when he started listing historical scientists who believed in God. Newton believed in alchemy! It doesn't make it true!

| Rath said: I gave up when he started listing historical scientists who believed in God. Newton believed in alchemy! It doesn't make it true! |
Why historical scientists? I mean you could go with current scientists.
Something like 62% of natual science scientists believe in god.
Didn't actually watch the video though.

Kasz216 said:
Why historical scientists? I mean you could go with current scientists. Something like 62% of natual science scientists believe in god. Didn't actually watch the video though. |
Still doesn't matter. A whole lot of people believing in something doesn't make it true. Emperical evidence is required.
Edit: Basically he was making an appeal to authority, which is a fallacy.

^ Exactly, If I could convince everyone in the world that the sky was purple, it wouldn't make it purple.
There was another point I came here to post but it's completely disappeared from my head... I blame the hangover, I'll remember in a bit.
| The_vagabond7 said: the short version if you don't feel like watching a very annoying self righteous 6 minute video is this. Christian apologists claim that America hates Jesus, then found out that Origin of the Species is public domain, and plan on sending their own edited copy to universities through out the US, including a 50 page forward that says that Hitler is Darwins fault, Darwin was a racist misogynist, that there are no transitional fossils, or even the slightest shred of evidence to support evolution, and then some stuff about how Jesus loves us and you can only find salvation through him. And then it ends with them saying they need more money if they want to get these books into more colleges around the US. |
This reminded me of this picture. (US only)

Rath said:
Still doesn't matter. A whole lot of people believing in something doesn't make it true. Emperical evidence is required. Edit: Basically he was making an appeal to authority, which is a fallacy. |
It kinda does matter. Since as you know scientists today make more sense then scientsits back then.
Claiming a need for emperical evidence is interesting considering the debate we just had a week or two back where you were for the Quantum mind theory though... considering its considerably less likely then other consiousness theories and has no emperical backing.

Can I get a link to that scientist god belief stat Kasz?
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Kasz216 said:
It kinda does matter. Since as you know scientists today make more sense then scientsits back then. Claiming a need for emperical evidence is interesting considering the debate we just had a week or two back where you were for the Quantum mind theory though... considering its considerably less likely then other consiousness theories and has no emperical backing. |
So if 70% of scientists believed little mustaches made them look sexy, then that makes it probable that it is objectively true that little mustaches are sexy, and they would be more correct now than a hundred years ago?
Ones "beliefs" as a scientist does not equate ones work as a scientist in trying to discover objective reality. What the majority of scientists believe does not make them right unless the majority has evidence to back up their claims. If the majority of scientists have a feeling about something that can neither be proven nor disproven as objectively true, then how they feel on a matter is irrelevant. The lay man is equally capable of making assertions based on feelings or beliefs rather than evidence, in which case I can say 80% of people working in meat packing plants believe in god and that has equal validity as a case, because both are coming the conclusions based on the same thing, a combination of culture, childhood indoctrination, emotion, and a feeling that there "has to be more".

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Instead of counting how many "scientists" believe in God, we should ask ourselves, how many of those scientists win Nobel Prizes, in any field. When you look at it that way, the majority of them are atheists, and many of them speak Esperanto. I'll be teaching my kids Esperanto!
Whenever I hear statistics about scientists I always think two things...
A. That the actual number of scientists that believe in god is significantly lower than the national average within their country.
B. Scientists who belong to a religion will most likely work in a field that is unconnected to their faith and so does not mean they have to compromise on their beliefs.
I would be willing to bet that both of these statements are true.