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pastro243 on 20 September 2009

I find ridiculously paranoic the missile shield thing, people take security to a point where its just delusional, making international relations tense and giving a: "bring it on" message to their so called enemies.

If you are gonna cover every military scenario even if it means going outside your own territory it just makes it look like overeaction.



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ultima on 20 September 2009
halogamer1989 said:
ultima said:
halogamer1989 said:
pastro243 said:
Ok, but can we agree that the missile shield was stupid from the beggining?

No.  The NK-Iranian ICBM partnership is not a classroom ideological debate.  It is real.

First you say that USA could make Moscow its parking lot before the Russians were even able to launch an ICBM, but now you feel insecure agains NK and Iran. If USA (as you ignorantly state) could finish off Russia so fast, NK and Iran would be nothing in comparison.

I said if Russia were to ever try WWIII - they would not dare b/c we would destroy them.  The missile shield was to prevent an Iranian long range scenario from happening.  Quantify what I mean next time.  A military scenario does not = when it will happen, oh no the sky is falling, blah blah.

No, you would not destroy them. WWIII could well be the end of mankind. Once a side realises that they are about to be defeated, they will start launching ICBM's. This will cause the other nuclear nations to start doing the same. It will turn into an unregulated chain reaction, like the fission of uranium in the bombs themselves, that won't stop until all the fissile material is used up. So, by the time the world stockpile of nuclear weapons is exhausted, the world probably won't be inhabitable. So no, you wouldn't be able to just "destroy" Russia.

And don't tell me that you actually believe what Bush sold... Rogue states my ass.



           

ultima on 20 September 2009
pastro243 said:
I find ridiculously paranoic the missile shield thing, people take security to a point where its just delusional, making international relations tense and giving a: "bring it on" message to their so called enemies.

If you are gonna cover every military scenario even if it means going outside your own territory it just makes it look like overeaction.

BTW, the word's "paranoid".



           

pastro243 on 20 September 2009
ultima said:
pastro243 said:
I find ridiculously paranoic the missile shield thing, people take security to a point where its just delusional, making international relations tense and giving a: "bring it on" message to their so called enemies.

If you are gonna cover every military scenario even if it means going outside your own territory it just makes it look like overeaction.

BTW, the word's "paranoid".

Sorry, not my native language.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 20 September 2009

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Kasz216 on 20 September 2009
ultima said:
halogamer1989 said:
ultima said:
halogamer1989 said:
pastro243 said:
Ok, but can we agree that the missile shield was stupid from the beggining?

No.  The NK-Iranian ICBM partnership is not a classroom ideological debate.  It is real.

First you say that USA could make Moscow its parking lot before the Russians were even able to launch an ICBM, but now you feel insecure agains NK and Iran. If USA (as you ignorantly state) could finish off Russia so fast, NK and Iran would be nothing in comparison.

I said if Russia were to ever try WWIII - they would not dare b/c we would destroy them.  The missile shield was to prevent an Iranian long range scenario from happening.  Quantify what I mean next time.  A military scenario does not = when it will happen, oh no the sky is falling, blah blah.

No, you would not destroy them. WWIII could well be the end of mankind. Once a side realises that they are about to be defeated, they will start launching ICBM's. This will cause the other nuclear nations to start doing the same. It will turn into an unregulated chain reaction, like the fission of uranium in the bombs themselves, that won't stop until all the fissile material is used up. So, by the time the world stockpile of nuclear weapons is exhausted, the world probably won't be inhabitable. So no, you wouldn't be able to just "destroy" Russia.

And don't tell me that you actually believe what Bush sold... Rogue states my ass.

You don't think Russia would be considered a "rogue state" if it didn't have nukes and oil?

If you can believe that... I'm guessing you don't read much news that comes out of eastern europe.

 



halogamer1989 on 20 September 2009

For the international relations kiddies out there: Russia is still the USSR but with a thugocracy and not a Communist Politburo. The FSB is the KGB given 3 new letters. It is ruled in large part by Mafia control and ex-ComParty loyalists.

It is a rogue state that is becoming modern by force of the Cold War. Many would still choose to be communist but they found that capitalism is just too damn good to pass up (esp Mafia). Btw, we won't have to fight Russia in the long term because of Vodka induced NPG.



elprincipe on 20 September 2009
pastro243 said:
I find ridiculously paranoic the missile shield thing, people take security to a point where its just delusional, making international relations tense and giving a: "bring it on" message to their so called enemies.

If you are gonna cover every military scenario even if it means going outside your own territory it just makes it look like overeaction.

Why are defensive measures against missiles - the same missiles being actually TESTED by Iran and North Korea -- paranoid?  It's like saying Iran is paranoid when it buys air defenses against possible Israeli or U.S. bombing.  Iran firing a missile at the U.S. (when it perfected its ICBM) is certainly not a paranoid scenario.  Believe me, we all wish it were, but it's not.  The logic of MAD that has existed between the U.S. and Russia for decades cannot apply to Iran, a country ruled by religious fanatics who do not always act rationally.



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halogamer1989 on 20 September 2009
elprincipe said:
pastro243 said:
I find ridiculously paranoic the missile shield thing, people take security to a point where its just delusional, making international relations tense and giving a: "bring it on" message to their so called enemies.

If you are gonna cover every military scenario even if it means going outside your own territory it just makes it look like overeaction.

Why are defensive measures against missiles - the same missiles being actually TESTED by Iran and North Korea -- paranoid?  It's like saying Iran is paranoid when it buys air defenses against possible Israeli or U.S. bombing.  Iran firing a missile at the U.S. (when it perfected its ICBM) is certainly not a paranoid scenario.  Believe me, we all wish it were, but it's not.  The logic of MAD that has existed between the U.S. and Russia for decades cannot apply to Iran, a country ruled by religious fanatics who do not always act rationally.

Hey Mikey, I think he gets it!  lol  elprincipe you are one of the great 1s here when it comes to foreign realism.  Thanks for letting others know how it really is out there.  Man I hope we don't devolve in our policy to a France - not realizing it is hitting the fan and then get hit...hard.  Unfortunately, Pres. Kumbayah thinks we can sit down with madmen and radical theologic regimes.  Sheesh.



elprincipe on 20 September 2009
halogamer1989 said:
elprincipe said:
pastro243 said:
I find ridiculously paranoic the missile shield thing, people take security to a point where its just delusional, making international relations tense and giving a: "bring it on" message to their so called enemies.

If you are gonna cover every military scenario even if it means going outside your own territory it just makes it look like overeaction.

Why are defensive measures against missiles - the same missiles being actually TESTED by Iran and North Korea -- paranoid?  It's like saying Iran is paranoid when it buys air defenses against possible Israeli or U.S. bombing.  Iran firing a missile at the U.S. (when it perfected its ICBM) is certainly not a paranoid scenario.  Believe me, we all wish it were, but it's not.  The logic of MAD that has existed between the U.S. and Russia for decades cannot apply to Iran, a country ruled by religious fanatics who do not always act rationally.

Hey Mikey, I think he gets it!  lol  elprincipe you are one of the great 1s here when it comes to foreign realism.  Thanks for letting others know how it really is out there.  Man I hope we don't devolve in our policy to a France - not realizing it is hitting the fan and then get hit...hard.  Unfortunately, Pres. Kumbayah thinks we can sit down with madmen and radical theologic regimes.  Sheesh.

I think there are just a lot of young folks on here who are rather ignorant of history and quite naive when it comes to this sort of thing.  Unfortunately, often in foreign affairs the road to hell is paved with good intentions.  Even more unfortunately for us as Americans, it looks more and more like we're going to get a crash-course lesson.



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