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MontanaHatchet said:
TheRealMafoo said:
highwaystar101 said:

I mean even if Russia through some moment of temporary (and unlikely) madness decided to attack eastern Europe or USA, they would be flattened instantly.

If Russia went to war against the rest of the world minus China and the US, Russia would win. it wouldn't even be close. Not that they would, but they are one bad ass military power. 

That being said, I am all for removing this shield. It's time the US stopped policing the world, and let the world police themselves.

We are broke as a nation, and the first step we need to take as a broke country, is stop spending money on things that "we" don't need.

Did you just agree with something Obama did?

He is a full out libretarian.  Agreeing with Obama here is consistant.

While I am mostly a libretarian but believe we have responsibilties to ur poor, and the poorer countries of the world.  Espiecally those with democracies.



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pastro243 said:
halogamer1989 said:
Hate to cut in but if Russia went to war against the world the US would make Moscow a parking lot before they shot off the first ICBM.


So there is no need for a stupid missile shield then.

Off topic:I hate how everything is about guns, missiles and crap, real men fight with their fists or swords one against another if they have to fight, war is not a thing I like, but if youwere to do it there should be fought like men and not pussies.

Agreed but the above situation would likely be nonconventional thus it would call be the use of nuclear, EMP, targeted offensive strikes, and SF insertions.  The last great "gentleman's" war that you are referring to was the Civil War.

 

We live in a 21st century world were you cannot utilize 1 army against each other on a great field and then shake hands after the offensive has ended (a la 18th cent warfare).



Ok, but can we agree that the missile shield was stupid from the beggining?



pastro243 said:
Ok, but can we agree that the missile shield was stupid from the beggining?

No.  The NK-Iranian ICBM partnership is not a classroom ideological debate.  It is real.



halogamer1989 said:
pastro243 said:
Ok, but can we agree that the missile shield was stupid from the beggining?

No.  The NK-Iranian ICBM partnership is not a classroom ideological debate.  It is real.

Ok so I wont agree with you.



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TheRealMafoo said:
highwaystar101 said:

I mean even if Russia through some moment of temporary (and unlikely) madness decided to attack eastern Europe or USA, they would be flattened instantly.

If Russia went to war against the rest of the world minus China and the US, Russia would win. it wouldn't even be close. Not that they would, but they are one bad ass military power. 

That being said, I am all for removing this shield. It's time the US stopped policing the world, and let the world police themselves.

We are broke as a nation, and the first step we need to take as a broke country, is stop spending money on things that "we" don't need.

Do you realize that this decision has made the East Coast less safe?  These defenses would have been able to intercept missiles headed for where I live.  I don't like that we are eliminating defenses that we need (missile defense given the threats of Iran and North Korea) and keeping a bloated military of stuff we don't need.  That is where the real money should be saved and cuts made, not missile defense.

And the Russians have played Obama for a fool.  It's quite clear.  Right after the announcement was made, the Russian foreign minister said it would have no effect on their relationship with Iran.  In fact, the Russians are selling Iran anti-aircraft batteries and assisting them in their nuclear development. 

The defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic had little to do with Russia, since everyone knows that 12 interceptor missiles have no chance of stopping thousands of Russian missiles.  The whole point of the missile shield was to protect mainly against Iran, a country developing nuclear weapons and ICBMs, not the Russians.  What a joke that we unilaterally disarm our defenses and get nothing in return but increased threats.  That is not logical foreign policy, it's madness.



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elprincipe said:
TheRealMafoo said:
highwaystar101 said:

I mean even if Russia through some moment of temporary (and unlikely) madness decided to attack eastern Europe or USA, they would be flattened instantly.

If Russia went to war against the rest of the world minus China and the US, Russia would win. it wouldn't even be close. Not that they would, but they are one bad ass military power. 

That being said, I am all for removing this shield. It's time the US stopped policing the world, and let the world police themselves.

We are broke as a nation, and the first step we need to take as a broke country, is stop spending money on things that "we" don't need.

Do you realize that this decision has made the East Coast less safe?  These defenses would have been able to intercept missiles headed for where I live.  I don't like that we are eliminating defenses that we need (missile defense given the threats of Iran and North Korea) and keeping a bloated military of stuff we don't need.  That is where the real money should be saved and cuts made, not missile defense.

And the Russians have played Obama for a fool.  It's quite clear.  Right after the announcement was made, the Russian foreign minister said it would have no effect on their relationship with Iran.  In fact, the Russians are selling Iran anti-aircraft batteries and assisting them in their nuclear development. 

The defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic had little to do with Russia, since everyone knows that 12 interceptor missiles have no chance of stopping thousands of Russian missiles.  The whole point of the missile shield was to protect mainly against Iran, a country developing nuclear weapons and ICBMs, not the Russians.  What a joke that we unilaterally disarm our defenses and get nothing in return but increased threats.  That is not logical foreign policy, it's madness.

Exactly, and that whole "pirate" incident last month wasn't at all about stealing lumber.  It was Mossad making sure S300 SAMs didn't make it to Iran.  After the reporter opened up this can of worms, FSB told him to shut up or disappear.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8259311.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_%28missile%29

 



Ok guys, dont worry, the Watchmen will protect you from the evil missiles that will probably be fired against USA.
Im sure Japan will also lend you some Gundams to help the whole world isnt destroyed by those evil communists with nuclear missiles.



halogamer1989 said:
pastro243 said:
Ok, but can we agree that the missile shield was stupid from the beggining?

No.  The NK-Iranian ICBM partnership is not a classroom ideological debate.  It is real.

First you say that USA could make Moscow its parking lot before the Russians were even able to launch an ICBM, but now you feel insecure agains NK and Iran. If USA (as you ignorantly state) could finish off Russia so fast, NK and Iran would be nothing in comparison.



           

ultima said:
halogamer1989 said:
pastro243 said:
Ok, but can we agree that the missile shield was stupid from the beggining?

No.  The NK-Iranian ICBM partnership is not a classroom ideological debate.  It is real.

First you say that USA could make Moscow its parking lot before the Russians were even able to launch an ICBM, but now you feel insecure agains NK and Iran. If USA (as you ignorantly state) could finish off Russia so fast, NK and Iran would be nothing in comparison.

I said if Russia were to ever try WWIII - they would not dare b/c we would destroy them.  The missile shield was to prevent an Iranian long range scenario from happening.  Quantify what I mean next time.  A military scenario does not = when it will happen, oh no the sky is falling, blah blah.