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Those obvious parts are probably really a great deal at that age though. Of course the social norms are there too (and while girls can sort of stay tomboys and not face much mocking and bullying, guys don't have quite the liberty, those at least for the western world). But yeah, the basic biology must be a huge problem because of puberty.

I mean if you think of yourself as a girl, having your voice break is hardly some minor issue. Or the other way around, if a biological girl feels that's the wrong body, boobs and periods are not something you'd deal with easily. So in regards to doing this at such an early age being bad for the emotional and psychological well being... well, I don't think the above will make those people feel well in either aspect.

With this being a Sun publication I'm not sure at all what part of the story is presented, and what of the presented is true though.



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mrstickball said:

Intolerant of opinions, aren't you?

It's NOT a close minded thing to say. All have opinions and are entitled to them. Unless Nord is going to go cause problems for this family, he's entitled to believe whatever he wants to.

When I was 12, I told all my friends I wanted to be an astromer. I had told them for years. I never became an astronomer, because it ended up passing out of my system. Why and how should a 12 year old be able to make a decision that will affect them for life? I really don't see why this was and is a smart decision. Are the parents free to do this? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean that I shouldn't be free to say they are irresponsible for listening to the whims of their child.

I just hope that if this really takes place with the child, that this is what he really, really, really wants. Because if this isn't the case, it may ruin his life.

Wanting to be an astronomer and being a female is a different thing.

I'm assuming this kid was like the vast majority of people who have these operations. Psychologically of a different gender than their physical one, a girl in a boys body.

As long as there was a thorough psychological examination to make sure that this was indeed the case I fully support this. Its basically correcting a screw up of nature - same as fixing a cleft pallete or any other defect of birth.

 

Oh and yeah. This is from the Sun so you can't be that sure about it.



That's probably the best age to do it at, they might even have the advantage of tricking puberty into helping out instead of going the wrong direction.



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I_Heart_Nintendo said:
I think it is great. I knew I was gay when I was 12, most people know they are straight when they are 12, this kid obviously knows she is wired as a girl instead of a guy.

Regardless of what opinion you have formulated, or what you church has told you to the contrary, this sort of gender identity issue is common, and It's probably good that the kid is getting on top of it so early instead of waiting, or denying it all together and then living in misery.

If it was done any later there is more of a chance she would have looked "like a man in drag" like someone said, which only serves the purpose of her getting picked on by small minded people or judged by christians on the street later on in life.

 

There are several experts (including Paul R. McHugh, MD a Professor of Psychiatry at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine) who believe that "to provide a surgical alteration to the body of these unfortunate people was to collaborate with a mental disorder rather than to treat it" ... Unlike homosexuality, there is significant evidence to support claims that upbringing has an impact on whether someone becomes "Transgendered" or not; and there is evidence that the "need" for transgendered people to be seen as a member of the opposite sex is radically reduced by getting them to adopt far healthier attitudes towards the roles of the sexes in society.

Basically, if 12 year old child came up and asked for a race-change operation because he more identified with strict stereotypes of another race would you encourage him to undergo radical surgery? Why would you encourage a 12 year old child to undergo a sex change operation because he more identifies with the stereotypes of the opposite sex? Encouraging "Gender reassignment" is essentially reinforcing stereotypical views about the sexes.



HappySqurriel said:
I_Heart_Nintendo said:
I think it is great. I knew I was gay when I was 12, most people know they are straight when they are 12, this kid obviously knows she is wired as a girl instead of a guy.

Regardless of what opinion you have formulated, or what you church has told you to the contrary, this sort of gender identity issue is common, and It's probably good that the kid is getting on top of it so early instead of waiting, or denying it all together and then living in misery.

If it was done any later there is more of a chance she would have looked "like a man in drag" like someone said, which only serves the purpose of her getting picked on by small minded people or judged by christians on the street later on in life.

 

There are several experts (including Paul R. McHugh, MD a Professor of Psychiatry at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine) who believe that "to provide a surgical alteration to the body of these unfortunate people was to collaborate with a mental disorder rather than to treat it" ... Unlike homosexuality, there is significant evidence to support claims that upbringing has an impact on whether someone becomes "Transgendered" or not; and there is evidence that the "need" for transgendered people to be seen as a member of the opposite sex is radically reduced by getting them to adopt far healthier attitudes towards the roles of the sexes in society.

Basically, if 12 year old child came up and asked for a race-change operation because he more identified with strict stereotypes of another race would you encourage him to undergo radical surgery? Why would you encourage a 12 year old child to undergo a sex change operation because he more identifies with the stereotypes of the opposite sex? Encouraging "Gender reassignment" is essentially reinforcing stereotypical views about the sexes.

I agree, I like how south park handled the issue. I think people forget that sex and gender are two different things. One being societal and the other being biological.



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Most kids undergo major changes before their old enough to know what they REALLY want. A males brain isnt fully developed until 25. 12 years old may REEEEEAAAAALLLLY want object 'X', then a week later want somthing completely different just as much. I think the parents have set up this child to a terrible life.




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Most kids undergo major changes before their old enough to know what they REALLY want. A males brain isnt fully developed until 25. 12 years old may REEEEEAAAAALLLLY want object 'X', then a week later want somthing completely different just as much. I think the parents have set up this child to a terrible life.

HappySquirrel's objection may be valid, but not this.  I seriously doubt this was just a passing fancy that the parents indulged.  



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Vanversive said:
HappySqurriel said:
I_Heart_Nintendo said:
I think it is great. I knew I was gay when I was 12, most people know they are straight when they are 12, this kid obviously knows she is wired as a girl instead of a guy.

Regardless of what opinion you have formulated, or what you church has told you to the contrary, this sort of gender identity issue is common, and It's probably good that the kid is getting on top of it so early instead of waiting, or denying it all together and then living in misery.

If it was done any later there is more of a chance she would have looked "like a man in drag" like someone said, which only serves the purpose of her getting picked on by small minded people or judged by christians on the street later on in life.

 

There are several experts (including Paul R. McHugh, MD a Professor of Psychiatry at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine) who believe that "to provide a surgical alteration to the body of these unfortunate people was to collaborate with a mental disorder rather than to treat it" ... Unlike homosexuality, there is significant evidence to support claims that upbringing has an impact on whether someone becomes "Transgendered" or not; and there is evidence that the "need" for transgendered people to be seen as a member of the opposite sex is radically reduced by getting them to adopt far healthier attitudes towards the roles of the sexes in society.

Basically, if 12 year old child came up and asked for a race-change operation because he more identified with strict stereotypes of another race would you encourage him to undergo radical surgery? Why would you encourage a 12 year old child to undergo a sex change operation because he more identifies with the stereotypes of the opposite sex? Encouraging "Gender reassignment" is essentially reinforcing stereotypical views about the sexes.

I agree, I like how south park handled the issue. I think people forget that sex and gender are two different things. One being societal and the other being biological.

When I was in university one of my Sociology courses said that you had to consider sex, gender and sexuality as three separate concepts that are much more diverse than a simple parity classification. Everyone who has completed biology in highschool is probably aware that not everyone falls into the simple xx/xy genetic classifications of male and female, and people who take higher level anatomy courses often learn about other biological disorders which complicate classification; we have seen the fracturing of traditional gender roles over the past couple of generations, and now there is a growing acceptance of differing levels of masculinity and femininity in both women and men; and we have seen growing understanding of how sexuality is far beyond the procreative act of sex between a man and a woman.

 



HappySqurriel said:
Vanversive said:
HappySqurriel said:
I_Heart_Nintendo said:
I think it is great. I knew I was gay when I was 12, most people know they are straight when they are 12, this kid obviously knows she is wired as a girl instead of a guy.

Regardless of what opinion you have formulated, or what you church has told you to the contrary, this sort of gender identity issue is common, and It's probably good that the kid is getting on top of it so early instead of waiting, or denying it all together and then living in misery.

If it was done any later there is more of a chance she would have looked "like a man in drag" like someone said, which only serves the purpose of her getting picked on by small minded people or judged by christians on the street later on in life.

 

There are several experts (including Paul R. McHugh, MD a Professor of Psychiatry at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine) who believe that "to provide a surgical alteration to the body of these unfortunate people was to collaborate with a mental disorder rather than to treat it" ... Unlike homosexuality, there is significant evidence to support claims that upbringing has an impact on whether someone becomes "Transgendered" or not; and there is evidence that the "need" for transgendered people to be seen as a member of the opposite sex is radically reduced by getting them to adopt far healthier attitudes towards the roles of the sexes in society.

Basically, if 12 year old child came up and asked for a race-change operation because he more identified with strict stereotypes of another race would you encourage him to undergo radical surgery? Why would you encourage a 12 year old child to undergo a sex change operation because he more identifies with the stereotypes of the opposite sex? Encouraging "Gender reassignment" is essentially reinforcing stereotypical views about the sexes.

I agree, I like how south park handled the issue. I think people forget that sex and gender are two different things. One being societal and the other being biological.

When I was in university one of my Sociology courses said that you had to consider sex, gender and sexuality as three separate concepts that are much more diverse than a simple parity classification. Everyone who has completed biology in highschool is probably aware that not everyone falls into the simple xx/xy genetic classifications of male and female, and people who take higher level anatomy courses often learn about other biological disorders which complicate classification; we have seen the fracturing of traditional gender roles over the past couple of generations, and now there is a growing acceptance of differing levels of masculinity and femininity in both women and men; and we have seen growing understanding of how sexuality is far beyond the procreative act of sex between a man and a woman.

 

I took one sociology course when I was in school for radio. The majority of my gender education came from an ex girlfriend who was a womens studies major. So believe me when I say I got tongue lashing whenever I made a mistake of the two.