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MontanaHatchet said:
Khuutra said:

You need to read the whole thing. Part of what he dislikes about the industry is that it's so easy for people to lose their jobs, because there is an artificial turnover rate created whenever people try to buck trends and create somethign that's actually new. It's like the heead of Activision said vis-a-vis taking the fu out of making games: Maelstrom detests that mindset.

Maelstrom would argue that a large part of their struggles is because they are greedy, and consumers are rejecting their valuee propositions over and over.

He may be arrogant, but that does not change the core of what he's saying.

I did read that part. He says that people lose their jobs because young employees enter the workforce and replace them. That's normal for any industry. I have no idea what you just said about Activision, but I'm sure he detests a lot of things. He can call the industry greedy, but then you'd have to wonder if what he says is largely true. If developers mainly cared about the money, would there be a stream of great games like the ones we're seeing today? There's always going to be a lot of games that are ripoffs or games that don't provide a lot of value or games that are just like every other one out there, that's not exclusive to this generation. In fact, it was actually pretty common in the older generations, or those good old says.

Yeah. Greed does not preclude greatness, which is part of why consumers are almost - almost - willing to take the shit that companies try to shovel in alongside that sweet gaming gold.

It was there before, sure. It's just getting worse. Maelstrom thinks that mindset needs to stop. I agree with him.



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BornFirst. said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Khuutra said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Khuutra said:

In this case, when Maelstrom says "Industry" he is referring to the collectivie corporate bodies that seek to take away consumer rights to software, forcibly shift focuses in development, and try to forc the consumer to pay more for content that they would have gotten anyway in earlier generations.

He wants that mentality to die so we can jsut have the games, and wants corporations to remember that they serve the consumer, not the other way around.

This almost sounds like a rant about the government. Admittedly, gaming companies have gotten worse this generation. On the other hand, changing that requires a more deft touch than breaking down all the companies and destroying the entire industry solely because of some annoying policy decisions. It's clear that even a small amount of fame has made Malstrom very radical and egotistical, even more so than before.

I grant that he is egotistical, but given that he defines the "industry" as a mindset I do not think the suggestion is that radical.

The fact that gaming companies have gotten worse and need to go back to the way it was before is the heart of what he's saying. As sour as it may be in your mouth, you actually agree with him.

If he's saying that he wants the industry to die as a mindset, that's fine. However, I'd rather not see thousands of people lose their jobs. From what I read, it sounded like he was describing that the industry should fall, which I just don't want. I agree with him on some points, but we differ on many. Had Nintendo not intervened, the practices Malstrom describes might have led to the destruction of the industry. But really, the next generation should be great. As the economy improves and developers move towards cheaper development (the current development model can't be sustained), they won't need to use these measures. They're not going after used game sales and selling limited edition copies because they hate the consumer or want to rip us off, it's just because they need the money. They're not greedy, they're just struggling.

I've never liked Malstrom for his arrogant attitude, and it's actually funny to see how bad it's gotten.

Do you think your personal feelings against him (though to be fair he is some random dude on the net stating his opinion) make you a little biased against his actuall message? Though he is a  bit egotistical, a lot of what he says is very logical. This guy has puts into words , what i and probably many gamers have felt the last few years about the game industry, thus the growth of readers on his site. Something must be attratcing all those readers! It does not matter whether he is getting as many readers as VGchartz or some other popular website, what matters is that his readerbase is growing and a lot of people are finding his opinions match theirs!

Also what i find are the people who disagree with him the most are the people who just dislike hime purely for the way he writes. At the end of the day its the message he is trying to convey, it is either you agree with it or not!

I form my personal opinion and feelings based off of his message, so your point is moot. He's not a bit egotistical, he's arguing about even a small increase in traffic to his site, and then acting as if gaming companies are tripping over themselves to stop him. He's just a guy that writes blogs on the internet and occasionally gets quoted on some sites, it's not as if EA and Activision are quaking in their boots. Seriously, this is his site's ranking. It's not as big as Vgchartz, and it's certainly nowhere near the level of importance. And apparently there's something wrong with hating someone who constantly insults others, holds himself in an oddly high regard, and is the world's biggest pessimist.



 

 

liquidninja said:
Slimebeast said:

"Viral messengers, posing as ‘gamers’, are polluting message forums and comments from various websites in the shape to ‘change public opinion’. Anyone who deserves a place in Dante’s Inferno would be computer virus makers and viral marketers posing as regular people. I want viral messengers *gone*."

Where does he get this from? I think he's overexaggerating this a lot. I've never met a viral marketer disguised as a gamer.

There have been reports of stealth marketers seeded in message boards by EGM and Penny Arcade. I made a whole thread quoting them:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=74516&page=1

Intersting. But I think it's kinda rare. They drown in the mass of posts, because there's millions of gamers that sit on forums and YouTube posting dozens of comments almost every night. And gamers can be very enthusiastic and they do it all for free.



MontanaHatchet said:
SmokedHostage said:
MontanaHatchet said:
We must destroy the industry...to save the industry.


We must destroy the industry.. to save gaming as an entertainment medium sees more accurate.

Please don't tell me you actually believe that.


Pretty late but after reading this carefully that's the vibe, or what have you, that I'm getting from it.



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MontanaHatchet said:
BornFirst. said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Khuutra said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Khuutra said:

In this case, when Maelstrom says "Industry" he is referring to the collectivie corporate bodies that seek to take away consumer rights to software, forcibly shift focuses in development, and try to forc the consumer to pay more for content that they would have gotten anyway in earlier generations.

He wants that mentality to die so we can jsut have the games, and wants corporations to remember that they serve the consumer, not the other way around.

This almost sounds like a rant about the government. Admittedly, gaming companies have gotten worse this generation. On the other hand, changing that requires a more deft touch than breaking down all the companies and destroying the entire industry solely because of some annoying policy decisions. It's clear that even a small amount of fame has made Malstrom very radical and egotistical, even more so than before.

I grant that he is egotistical, but given that he defines the "industry" as a mindset I do not think the suggestion is that radical.

The fact that gaming companies have gotten worse and need to go back to the way it was before is the heart of what he's saying. As sour as it may be in your mouth, you actually agree with him.

If he's saying that he wants the industry to die as a mindset, that's fine. However, I'd rather not see thousands of people lose their jobs. From what I read, it sounded like he was describing that the industry should fall, which I just don't want. I agree with him on some points, but we differ on many. Had Nintendo not intervened, the practices Malstrom describes might have led to the destruction of the industry. But really, the next generation should be great. As the economy improves and developers move towards cheaper development (the current development model can't be sustained), they won't need to use these measures. They're not going after used game sales and selling limited edition copies because they hate the consumer or want to rip us off, it's just because they need the money. They're not greedy, they're just struggling.

I've never liked Malstrom for his arrogant attitude, and it's actually funny to see how bad it's gotten.

Do you think your personal feelings against him (though to be fair he is some random dude on the net stating his opinion) make you a little biased against his actuall message? Though he is a  bit egotistical, a lot of what he says is very logical. This guy has puts into words , what i and probably many gamers have felt the last few years about the game industry, thus the growth of readers on his site. Something must be attratcing all those readers! It does not matter whether he is getting as many readers as VGchartz or some other popular website, what matters is that his readerbase is growing and a lot of people are finding his opinions match theirs!

Also what i find are the people who disagree with him the most are the people who just dislike hime purely for the way he writes. At the end of the day its the message he is trying to convey, it is either you agree with it or not!

I form my personal opinion and feelings based off of his message, so your point is moot. He's not a bit egotistical, he's arguing about even a small increase in traffic to his site, and then acting as if gaming companies are tripping over themselves to stop him. He's just a guy that writes blogs on the internet and occasionally gets quoted on some sites, it's not as if EA and Activision are quaking in their boots. Seriously, this is his site's ranking. It's not as big as Vgchartz, and it's certainly nowhere near the level of importance. And apparently there's something wrong with hating someone who constantly insults others, holds himself in an oddly high regard, and is the world's biggest pessimist.

Wow! I was not saying what i said to start some type of confrontation with you so i really do not understand the hostilty. I also said it didn't matter that his site was not as popular as VGchartz, but instead that it is growing in popularity, Many gamers agree with him including me!

I could argue with the way you replied my post you have the problem you seem to have with him, arrogance! I was merely asking whether your personal opinion was cloaded his message. Not interested in stupid forum war, lets talk to each other as respectable adults!



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Slimebeast said:
liquidninja said:
Slimebeast said:

"Viral messengers, posing as ‘gamers’, are polluting message forums and comments from various websites in the shape to ‘change public opinion’. Anyone who deserves a place in Dante’s Inferno would be computer virus makers and viral marketers posing as regular people. I want viral messengers *gone*."

Where does he get this from? I think he's overexaggerating this a lot. I've never met a viral marketer disguised as a gamer.

There have been reports of stealth marketers seeded in message boards by EGM and Penny Arcade. I made a whole thread quoting them:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=74516&page=1

Intersting. But I think it's kinda rare. They drown in the mass of posts, because there's millions of gamers that sit on forums and YouTube posting dozens of comments almost every night. And gamers can be very enthusiastic and they do it all for free.

This is why it's called viral marketing. It spreads like a virus, that reproduces from a few units, and transforms more healthy cells into virus too, until it reaches critical mass. 

They only need a hundred paid viral marketers (with thousands of accounts, don't forget), at agiven time, like E3, on the 100 most well known gaming forums, and if each of them starts glorifying the latest big announcement, at the same time, each post might convince dozens of gamers that there is a universal hype, so they would proceed parotting these points, and convince even more gamers. 



BornFirst. said:
MontanaHatchet said:
BornFirst. said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Khuutra said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Khuutra said:

In this case, when Maelstrom says "Industry" he is referring to the collectivie corporate bodies that seek to take away consumer rights to software, forcibly shift focuses in development, and try to forc the consumer to pay more for content that they would have gotten anyway in earlier generations.

He wants that mentality to die so we can jsut have the games, and wants corporations to remember that they serve the consumer, not the other way around.

This almost sounds like a rant about the government. Admittedly, gaming companies have gotten worse this generation. On the other hand, changing that requires a more deft touch than breaking down all the companies and destroying the entire industry solely because of some annoying policy decisions. It's clear that even a small amount of fame has made Malstrom very radical and egotistical, even more so than before.

I grant that he is egotistical, but given that he defines the "industry" as a mindset I do not think the suggestion is that radical.

The fact that gaming companies have gotten worse and need to go back to the way it was before is the heart of what he's saying. As sour as it may be in your mouth, you actually agree with him.

If he's saying that he wants the industry to die as a mindset, that's fine. However, I'd rather not see thousands of people lose their jobs. From what I read, it sounded like he was describing that the industry should fall, which I just don't want. I agree with him on some points, but we differ on many. Had Nintendo not intervened, the practices Malstrom describes might have led to the destruction of the industry. But really, the next generation should be great. As the economy improves and developers move towards cheaper development (the current development model can't be sustained), they won't need to use these measures. They're not going after used game sales and selling limited edition copies because they hate the consumer or want to rip us off, it's just because they need the money. They're not greedy, they're just struggling.

I've never liked Malstrom for his arrogant attitude, and it's actually funny to see how bad it's gotten.

Do you think your personal feelings against him (though to be fair he is some random dude on the net stating his opinion) make you a little biased against his actuall message? Though he is a  bit egotistical, a lot of what he says is very logical. This guy has puts into words , what i and probably many gamers have felt the last few years about the game industry, thus the growth of readers on his site. Something must be attratcing all those readers! It does not matter whether he is getting as many readers as VGchartz or some other popular website, what matters is that his readerbase is growing and a lot of people are finding his opinions match theirs!

Also what i find are the people who disagree with him the most are the people who just dislike hime purely for the way he writes. At the end of the day its the message he is trying to convey, it is either you agree with it or not!

I form my personal opinion and feelings based off of his message, so your point is moot. He's not a bit egotistical, he's arguing about even a small increase in traffic to his site, and then acting as if gaming companies are tripping over themselves to stop him. He's just a guy that writes blogs on the internet and occasionally gets quoted on some sites, it's not as if EA and Activision are quaking in their boots. Seriously, this is his site's ranking. It's not as big as Vgchartz, and it's certainly nowhere near the level of importance. And apparently there's something wrong with hating someone who constantly insults others, holds himself in an oddly high regard, and is the world's biggest pessimist.

Wow! I was not saying what i said to start some type of confrontation with you so i really do not understand the hostilty. I also said it didn't matter that his site was not as popular as VGchartz, but instead that it is growing in popularity, Many gamers agree with him including me!

I could argue with the way you replied my post you have the problem you seem to have with him, arrogance! I was merely asking whether your personal opinion was cloaded his message. Not interested in stupid forum war, lets talk to each other as respectable adults!

Explain the part where I was hostile, because I must have missed it.



 

 

@Montana

I felt the whole tone of the reply was hostile, but maybe i was wrong, i gues you will truly know wether you were or not. Though you still have not answered the question posed to you earlier, you do not have to but i fear you totally missed the point in my first post



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I have found this one to be one of his really good articles. Arrogance aside it highlights some interesting points he has made before.

But I think the biggest point he is trying to highlight is that the Games Industry is not the game customers.

He attacks the gaming industry to show this and how they have moved away from focusing on the customers needs and instead assumed that because they enjoy gaming, and are part of the game customers that what is good for the industry is good for the game customers.



DnE said:
I have found this one to be one of his really good articles. Arrogance aside it highlights some interesting points he has made before.

But I think the biggest point he is trying to highlight is that the Games Industry is not the game customers.

He attacks the gaming industry to show this and how they have moved away from focusing on the customers needs and instead assumed that because they enjoy gaming, and are part of the game customers that what is good for the industry is good for the game customers.

How true. Why on Earth, even when he's true, does he need to piss people off with his condescending attitude?



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