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Khuutra on 17 September 2009

Avinash you have buried this topic under an argument that was pedantic in the first place, I hope you will learn from the experience and not do it again.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 17 September 2009
theprof00 said:
haha
avinash, earier you said you were proving mals point, but you're not.

Mal is saying that games are being designed to make money, and aren't being made correctly, as a classic. But according to you, classics are ones that make money.

Drop the shovel m8


  Umm...no, classics make tons of money, because people keep buying them, what are you smoking?  A game that still sells is still brining in money, games that don't sell don;t bring in money



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi on 17 September 2009
Khuutra said:
Avinash you have buried this topic under an argument that was pedantic in the first place, I hope you will learn from the experience and not do it again.

Actually I didn't do anything, I made a comment, other people replied



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Torillian on 17 September 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Torillian said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Torillian said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
The market has judged them better, see this is the flaw of many they think they are smarter than the consumers, no, that is foolishness

And what the market chooses is heavily based on their information about them.  Not to mention that a person buys a game before knowing its quality.  You don't get to play through a game in its entirety and then purchase it or not based on your experience, that's not how things work.  Purchasing a video game just proves that you think it will be worth it, not that it actually was.  I bought Earthbound completely by accident, and yet it was one of my best purchases at the time, now on the other hand I bought Afro Samurai with complete foreknowledge and still regret it.  How are all these consumers learning about a game's quality before they get to actually play it?

If that were true, then why have Mario and Zelda sequels sold millions, because people loved the first games so much that they wanted the sequels, they became popular because people loved the earlier games and it has continued to this day, if they were bad people would have stopped buying

So then games that keep their sales up over the series are deemed great.  And therefore since SotC sold more than Ico obviously Ico was a great game.


And yes, it proves that the games weren't awful, but doesn't prove that they're the best.

Actually, no it doesn't, see Ico and SOTC don't sell, people don't buy those games anymore, starcraft on the other hand still sells, constantly on the charts

http://www.amazon.com/Legend-Zelda-Ocarina-Time-Collectors-Nintendo/dp/B0009Y808Q/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1253245371&sr=1-3

 

http://www.amazon.com/Ico-Playstation-2/dp/B00004YUWA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1253245343&sr=8-1

 

Check out the sales rankings, bam, I just proved under your logic that Ico is better than OoT. 



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Avinash_Tyagi on 17 September 2009
Torillian said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Torillian said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Torillian said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
The market has judged them better, see this is the flaw of many they think they are smarter than the consumers, no, that is foolishness

And what the market chooses is heavily based on their information about them.  Not to mention that a person buys a game before knowing its quality.  You don't get to play through a game in its entirety and then purchase it or not based on your experience, that's not how things work.  Purchasing a video game just proves that you think it will be worth it, not that it actually was.  I bought Earthbound completely by accident, and yet it was one of my best purchases at the time, now on the other hand I bought Afro Samurai with complete foreknowledge and still regret it.  How are all these consumers learning about a game's quality before they get to actually play it?

If that were true, then why have Mario and Zelda sequels sold millions, because people loved the first games so much that they wanted the sequels, they became popular because people loved the earlier games and it has continued to this day, if they were bad people would have stopped buying

So then games that keep their sales up over the series are deemed great.  And therefore since SotC sold more than Ico obviously Ico was a great game.


And yes, it proves that the games weren't awful, but doesn't prove that they're the best.

Actually, no it doesn't, see Ico and SOTC don't sell, people don't buy those games anymore, starcraft on the other hand still sells, constantly on the charts

http://www.amazon.com/Legend-Zelda-Ocarina-Time-Collectors-Nintendo/dp/B0009Y808Q/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1253245371&sr=1-3

 

http://www.amazon.com/Ico-Playstation-2/dp/B00004YUWA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1253245343&sr=8-1

 

Check out the sales rankings, bam, I just proved under your logic that Ico is better than OoT.

Your argument is flawed for two reasons, one OoT is on Wii VC, and Amazon isn't a good bearing of sales anyways



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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SmokedHostage on 17 September 2009

My two cents. A classic is not a classic because people are willing to buy it 10 or 20 years later. A classic is a classic because it manages to best the test of time and be enjoyable 10 or 20 years later.



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Khuutra on 17 September 2009

Torillian, dammit

Why do you insist on throwing fuel onto this fire

He isn't going to stop



Torillian on 17 September 2009

So then you have no way of proving what you say, you just spout the bullshit you want to be true. nvm then, no point in continuing the conversation.



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MontanaHatchet on 17 September 2009

Just let this thread die like the dozens of other Malstrom threads do. Painfully, and ignored.



 

 

theprof00 on 17 September 2009

/conversation
(for the second time) :P