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appolose said:
Khuutra said:
appolose said:

The "negative version" of that is exactly the same thing; of course you can say it.

And why do you keep bringing up things contradictory observations?  My scenario does not consist of those, as I have said countless times now.

If you mean eliminate as in deductively eliminate, then, of course, you're right.  Likewise, you can never deductively prove anything either, so I'm not sure what your point is.  Science is an inductive process.

In my scenario, if you induced non-physicality, then you've induced supernaturality.

You can't do that either.

Here's an example of induction;

"All geese I've ever seen are white.  I assume, then, that all geese are white"

And another;

"All geese I've ever seen are not blue.  I asssume, then, that no goose is blue"

Neither follow, and both are what science do.

No statement that science makes will ever be absolute and no statement will ever be made via "well we've exhausted everything possible except the non-physical", because that is not possible.



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Khuutra said:
appolose said:
Khuutra said:
appolose said:

The "negative version" of that is exactly the same thing; of course you can say it.

And why do you keep bringing up things contradictory observations?  My scenario does not consist of those, as I have said countless times now.

If you mean eliminate as in deductively eliminate, then, of course, you're right.  Likewise, you can never deductively prove anything either, so I'm not sure what your point is.  Science is an inductive process.

In my scenario, if you induced non-physicality, then you've induced supernaturality.

You can't do that either.

Here's an example of induction;

"All geese I've ever seen are white.  I assume, then, that all geese are white"

And another;

"All geese I've ever seen are not blue.  I asssume, then, that no goose is blue"

Neither follow, and both are what science do.

No statement that science makes will ever be absolute and no statement will ever be made via "well we've exhausted everything possible except the non-physical", because that is not possible.

First part: Yes, I have acknowledged that a thousand times now.  I acknowledged that when I said science was using induction (in the post you just quoted, in fact)

Second part:  And why is that?  Is my second example somehow an illegal induction?  Is there some unwritten rule that say "K, guys, I kinow this is comepletely arbitrary, but don't induce that something is not the case"?

 



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Firstly, "So, point 1 is just that: an observation made so many times it is elevated to the status of theory or law."

To believe that any number of observations (even put together) can in and of themselves constitute a scientific theory is to massively misunderstand science at a fundamental level.

Secondly, "Disagree.".

Thirdly, what others have been saying since I last posted.

So, @ Khuutra, I believe so.



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MontanaHatchet said:
*Reads thread*

*Slips into a coma*

Are you guys even talking about evolution anymore?

I went from page 1 to page 8 and I noticed thermodynamics mentioned fr some reason.

 

All i can say for someone who doubts evolution, look at bacteria and viruses. They constantly evolve. You can actually observe their evolutions as they become more badass and better at surviving. That's evolutioon, plain and simple.



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Darwin is satan in the flesh come to introduce blasphemy that would later be spoon fed to the sheeplike retards of all countries until they think that they came from monkeys, and monkeys came from magic eletrical goo, and the electric goo came from a big explosion.

Read your bibles, people.



Around and around this thread goes.

People came to the conclusion that the debate against circular logic is a waste of time.
Why didn't you actually follow that advice?

Anyway, science should stay in the science classroom and Theology should stay in the theology classroom.

Simple really.



Final-Fan said:
Firstly, "So, point 1 is just that: an observation made so many times it is elevated to the status of theory or law."

To believe that any number of observations (even put together) can in and of themselves constitute a scientific theory is to massively misunderstand science at a fundamental level.

Secondly, "Disagree.".

Thirdly, what others have been saying since I last posted.

So, @ Khuutra, I believe so.

You do know that observations encompass experiments, right?  After so many of those, the result of them and the observations you've made are extrapolated to be universal.

Second, what?

Third, see my responses to what they've said.

I think I'm going to call it quits myself. 

Thanks guys, it was fun.



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YOU (not the observations) would be doing the extrapolating.  That is all.  



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