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Adjudicator on 15 September 2009
hardyhar said:
You don't have a choice if you want to play online with Live (free weekends and playing as a guest aside), but then I don't have the choice of paying a fee and getting extras on PSN that make it as good as Live. I'd love to have that option, cos I might actually start using my PS3 online for games other than Fat Princess (which isn't exactly a shining example of PSN's quality I might add).

If free online was that important, millions of people wouldn't be paying for Live Gold and there'd be a lot more PS3 owners and far fewer 360 owners out there. I don't care if online is free if I can get a more fully featured system that I'll use throughout the life of the console, making the whole experience better, for 50-60 pence a week (i.e. fuck all). I spend more than 12 months of Live costs on a night out down the pub. If it bothers you so much, sell your 360........oh wait....you'll need to actually buy one first.

I actually have a X360. I just don't go online with it as I don't fancy running an ethernet cord to my living from my bedroom where my router is (looks very ugly). I imagine the concept of having an XBOX and not agreeing to pay for live completely escapes you. My ability to afford the cost in no way affects whether I pay for it.

I believe the number of 360 owners is more connected with whether or not people like the games. I don't know that many people who enjoy Halo and don't play it online. They will probably pay for the online as that is probably considered by some to be the main draw of the game.

In any case your statements above are enough to convince me that it makes no sense explaining anything to you.



 

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Zizzla_Rachet on 15 September 2009

LOL...Mon
Stop using this to get VG$..It's sickening



 



monlosez on 15 September 2009

HAHA, I let them argue while I play my games.



S.T.A.G.E. on 15 September 2009

Paying for Xbox Live helps Microsoft bring great return to you every year. Not paying for PSN hurts Sony. They have reached a breaking point already for giving away so much in such a short amount of time with little return. They can try to make a profit off of it with little premium items, but they have such a horrible installed base that nothing ever comes from it.



heruamon on 16 September 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Paying for Xbox Live helps Microsoft bring great return to you every year. Not paying for PSN hurts Sony. They have reached a breaking point already for giving away so much in such a short amount of time with little return. They can try to make a profit off of it with little premium items, but they have such a horrible installed base that nothing ever comes from it.

Sony is losing money like crazy...and people think that's a smart strategy...they have achieved some efficiencies in producing the ps3, but most of the gains are probably being swallowed with the redesign in the short term, and demands of psn increases...the cost will continue to balloons.  Look at the cost for Blizzard to run WoW...and that's just ONE defined system to maintain.  Sorry, but I'm confused why any company with commonsense would provide a service that is not sustainable?  Why aren't the games the Station fee-pay...like Everquest and Galaxies...it's not like sony did have case studies to try to use before this grand experiment that is failing terribly. 



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ymeaga1n on 16 September 2009
hoffness said:
Feylic said:
, Words Of Wisdom said:
Feylic said:

Win. Online should be free, you already pay your ISP.

This is like saying that McDonalds should serve free food because you're already paying for gas to drive there.

No, no it is actually nothing like saying that. Let me add something for you to make it more clear. You already pay for your ISP, AND your game. The current setup of live is like paying for gas to drive to McDonalds (paying for ISP), buying a burger (buying a game), and then the manager of mcdonalds telling you you have to pay 50$ a month to actually eat the burger.

I think the best analogy would be to pay to drive to McDonald's, buy your food, and then have to pay extra to sit down in the restaurant. Certainly sitting down in a restaurant is nice, but it seems odd to pay for it. At the same time, sitting down in a restaurant does cost the restaurant money (cleaning, the extra room, napkins, etc.)
Now the question is this: Would it be stupid to pay to sit down in a restaurant? Maybe. It depends on how much they charge. I surely like sitting down in restaurants, and this particular Mcdonald's is more comfy than the Taco Bell next door. For me, I don't really like Taco Bell and the extra charge for sitting down seems reasonable.

 

You guys are morons. Both your analogies are stupid because MS isn't your ISP. Analogy 101...fail.




Deneidez on 16 September 2009

This is what I love with consoles. You have to bear everything they do, because thats your only option. If you solo on PC market like this, you will only get foot print up your us. (Well, MS tried to do the same with not so surprising results. :) )



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ironman on 16 September 2009
Feylic said:
ironman said:
Feylic said:
ironman said:
The restaurant analogy is complete fail. Lets try this one. The Anitvirus program market.
Now, PSN is like the free version of PC tools Spyware doctor. It works pretty good, but it doesn't have all the bells and whistles. XBL is like the paid version of Spyware doctor. It has realtime protection and a deeper scan setting. For some people, the free version is all they need, others want more, so they pay for the enhanced version.

This analogy works better if you say that Live and PSN have the same antivirus capabilities, but you pay for live because it came in a shiny box with a bell.... and whistle.


You are absolutely correct. I went about my analogy wrong. Let me put it this way. PSN is like Free antivirus software programs, they work fine, but do not catch everything, and the realtime protection is limited. XBL is like the Antivirus programs you pay for, they are rock solid, have full realtime protection, and do full sweeps. Now, both work, one just works better and is worth the money you put into it. PSN and XBL do NOT have the same capabilities. They both do what they are supposed to. One just does a better job, and it should because people have to pay for it.

Well you got one thing right, one should do a better job because you have to pay for it, unfortunately it doesn't.

Actually, I got more than one thing right. Try getting out of your shell and actually using XBL...I'm talking the entire experiance. You will then see that it is far superior to PSN. And quite frankly, it had better be since you have to pay for it. Trust me, it is well worth the money. If it wasn't, very few people would actually be paying for it, and it would fail. Nuff said! Pass the dip!



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S.T.A.G.E. on 16 September 2009
Deneidez said:
This is what I love with consoles. You have to bear everything they do, because thats your only option. If you solo on PC market like this, you will only get foot print up your us. (Well, MS tried to do the same with not so surprising results. :) )

Um........what? Who cares about PC right now?



Goodfella on 16 September 2009
KylieDog said:
To some no-lifer who sits around playing video games all day it may not seem much but for someone who has a busy life and might only play online an hour a week that is a lot of cost for so little.


For all the kids (and anyone who has played on XBL knows there are millions of them) that have mommy and daddy pay the XBL bills it could also mean the difference between either getting a new game or being able to play online.


Cross game chat is vastly overated anyway, more often than not it is a negative more than a positive as far as online team games (most games) go. If you playing CoD4 and chatting to a friend in Halo neither of you are going to hear the teams requests for assistance and you aren't going to be helping them much either. Makes you even more useless than the people without mics, at least they can hear help requests.

Precisely.




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