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tedsteriscool on 13 September 2009
FaRmLaNd said:

44% aren't aware of what theories Darwin is associated with O.o

I don't care if you don't think evolution is correct, but simply not knowing what theories he created at all? Don't these people get taught anything in school?

On topic, maybe the film is simply crap? But it can't be too horrible if it got distributors everywhere else. I definitely think there have been some business disputes with the distributors (eg percentage or gross or something) that he hasn't been able to work out with them.

Its like GTA, create controversy. It usually helps ones financial prospects if done correctly.

 

EDIT I thought Hitler was more influenced by Eugenics then he was Darwinism?

It's fairly common knowledge that the US educational system fails.



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Final-Fan on 13 September 2009

@ FaRmLaNd:  The idea some people have is that Darwin = natural selection --> eugenics

They say eugenics wouldn't have been thought up if not for the whole idea of natural selection, so the existence of eugenics, and the excesses of that concept in the early 20th century, and Hitler taking those excesses and twisting them into genocidal rhetoric and actual genocide, is Darwin's fault.

... so yeah.



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halogamer1989 on 13 September 2009

It is not too controversial. This is a PR blitz.  Some will see it.  Many won't. 



Kasz216 on 13 September 2009
NKAJ said:
Kasz216 said:

Guy doesn't get distribution deal.

Blames someone else.

That's the gist of the story, yes?

By the way. Nobody decided to release my movie " Ultra Ninja Cybrog Zombie Fighters 5" because America is too stupid to understand the intricate details of Ninja Cyborg Zombie fighting.


Also it should be noted that American citizens don't actually decide what's released or not... the distribution companies do.

Though I mean he does have apoint... I mean what... with all the sceintific documentries lining the top of the charts and everything... i mean nothing spells massive blockbuster like scientific documentry.

I mean... if you look at some of the documentries that do get distribution deals... there is stuff far more offensive to christianity then this. 

 

This just didn't get a deal because the producers thought it would be boring and wouldn't sell.


I mean Jesus Camp got a distribution deal.  Dogma was released...  Bill Maher had a documentry that was him calling religious people idiots for a couple hours and it placed 10th in the box office opening weekend.

So no.  I'm not buying what they're selling... and I can't see how anyone can when looking at things logically. 

He's just bitter that this has "History Channel" deal all over it instead of "Movie" deal.

im sorry but i really dont buy that "its too boring " for america idea.so obvioulsy the rest of the world can accept it just not america because oh no its too boring.

This film would blatently go against what millions of people believe in and a lot of those refuse to accept the facts of science.

and yes i am a catholic

The United States has way more documentries then the rest of the world combined. 

Competition in the US is just harder.

I mean... explain why this movie didn't get released but Bill Maher's "Religiculus" did?

Which if you couldn't guess by the title is him calling religion ridiculious for 2 hours.  But a documentry that isn't even about evolution but about some guy and the struggles he had with his faith can't make it because people will be upset?  Please.

Not only was it released it did really well money wise.



Kasz216 on 13 September 2009
tedsteriscool said:
FaRmLaNd said:

44% aren't aware of what theories Darwin is associated with O.o

I don't care if you don't think evolution is correct, but simply not knowing what theories he created at all? Don't these people get taught anything in school?

On topic, maybe the film is simply crap? But it can't be too horrible if it got distributors everywhere else. I definitely think there have been some business disputes with the distributors (eg percentage or gross or something) that he hasn't been able to work out with them.

Its like GTA, create controversy. It usually helps ones financial prospects if done correctly.

 

EDIT I thought Hitler was more influenced by Eugenics then he was Darwinism?

It's fairly common knowledge that the US educational system fails.

Something like one fifth of British teens think Winston Churchill was a fictional character.

Winston Churchill who played a MUCH MORE direct role in the history of England then Darwin did in the history of anything.

People in general are... not stupid persay... but don't care to remember stuff that doesn't directly impact their lives.



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Aj_habfan on 13 September 2009

"Outside of New York and LA"

These are the two cities not ruled by religion in the US?

 

"People have been saying this is the best film they've seen all year"

Lawl.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing this movie, obviously not in the theaters, but on TV. And controversy is a great way to draw interest and free marketing, I'm surprised not one distributor would take that chance.

 



Kasz216 on 13 September 2009
Aj_habfan said:

"Outside of New York and LA"

These are the two cities not ruled by religion in the US?

 

"People have been saying this is the best film they've seen all year"

Lawl.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing this movie, obviously not in the theaters, but on TV. And controversy is a great way to draw interest and free marketing, I'm surprised not one distributor would take that chance.

 

Oh yeah.  I'll watch it when it hits HC or Biography....

but i mean expecting people to pay 10-14 dollars to see this in theatres... 20-28 if they bring a date... 30 to 38 if they want popcorn and/or a drink.

 

Yeah... no.



Avinash_Tyagi on 14 September 2009
Kasz216 said:
Aj_habfan said:

"Outside of New York and LA"

These are the two cities not ruled by religion in the US?

 

"People have been saying this is the best film they've seen all year"

Lawl.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing this movie, obviously not in the theaters, but on TV. And controversy is a great way to draw interest and free marketing, I'm surprised not one distributor would take that chance.

 

Oh yeah.  I'll watch it when it hits HC or Biography....

but i mean expecting people to pay 10-14 dollars to see this in theatres... 20-28 if they bring a date... 30 to 38 if they want popcorn and/or a drink.

 

Yeah... no.


  You can say that about any movie really



 

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Kasz216 on 14 September 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Aj_habfan said:

"Outside of New York and LA"

These are the two cities not ruled by religion in the US?

 

"People have been saying this is the best film they've seen all year"

Lawl.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing this movie, obviously not in the theaters, but on TV. And controversy is a great way to draw interest and free marketing, I'm surprised not one distributor would take that chance.

 

Oh yeah.  I'll watch it when it hits HC or Biography....

but i mean expecting people to pay 10-14 dollars to see this in theatres... 20-28 if they bring a date... 30 to 38 if they want popcorn and/or a drink.

 

Yeah... no.


  You can say that about any movie really

True.

Me i don't actually go to the movies except for taking my girlfriend out.

But a documentry.  It's not like a Documentry has a chance of having it's ending ruined or anything.

Documentries need to be provacative to do big buisness in the US.

His documentry isn't selling because it's controversial.

It isn't selling because it ISN'T controversial.



Kasz216 on 14 September 2009
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
Esmoreit said:
I wanna g back to the movie not getting a distributor...

What if the controversy isn't that the director is shifting blame, or that religious America is to blame... what if he did not really look for a distributor and is now kicking up controversy to peak interest in the movie?

I think it's more that he did look for a distributor and they weren't giving him enough money... so he refused the deal, and claimed this to kick up controversy and hopefully add on some money.

I mean... lets be honest here it's not that everybody said "no way... no matter what!"

It's just that they didn't pay him what he wanted to be paid and he turned down their offers.

In reality it's genius, don't you think Kasz?

I mean the plan would work well, I would do it to get some publicity and an extra million or two if I could.

1. You reject your first deal because of a tiny concern,

2. Make sure that Reuters or another news agent picks up the story,

3. Your film gets into half the papers with the "religion is the reason" as a result,

4. Double your audience and the amount of distribution offers you recieve overnight.

 

Controversy sells.

Oh yeah, I mean it's a good buisness move.  Just calling a spade a spade though.