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JaggedSac said:
binary solo said:
CrazyHorse said:

A serious question, what does Natal offer that the PS Eye doesn't? I know Sony is foucssing on using their wand in conjuction with the Eye but based on the Eye Pet demo it would appear that the PS Eye is also capable of tracking body movements (and now we have facial and voice regonition too).

If you like playing with the lights dimmed down low for atmosphere then you'll be needing a 360 and Natal. Other than that, I'm not sure. Different technologies practically the same outcome.

PSEye uses pixel color changes and edge detection to determine movement and distance.  Calculations are done by the PS3.

Natal uses infrared to determine the exact distance of objects and creates a skeletal system comprising of 48 different points.  Calculations are done via an onboard chip on Natal.

Thats because the 360 doesnt have the POWA OF DA CELL!!

 

Seriously though, the Playstation has had this technology for a lot longer than any other console. The PS2 had it. Sony just needs to market better. Add in the Wand controller to this technology and you have a much more rounded gaming experience.



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Well here is my dee and detailed analysis


They are both a piece of shit.

You happy????????



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nightsurge said:
Seihyouken said:
nightsurge said:
Staude said:
Seraphic_Sixaxis said:
@Smashed - As a dual HD console owner, im just stating the my opinon, Nintendos motion + and Sonys Wands + PSEye feel sort of out-dated VS NATAL, but if Sony can make this work out RIGHT then it might be equal with NATAL, as of right now though i'd rather sonys idea a 8 while MS gets a 9.

natal is the most limiting of the three. It only allows for on rail games.. Cause theres no controller.

 

ps3 has the best solution with dual analogues you'll be able to move and turn without having to point at the edge of the screen (a frustration in wii games)

 

not to mention the backup of sony and the pseye that can use various headtracking and other tools to add to the immersion.

 

Imagine a first person shooter with the wands but also using headtracking :p awesome.

Actually Sony's motion is the most limited of the three.  It only allows for on rails games because there is no analog sticks.  They have not confirmed nor even stated they will be adding any, so you can stop assuming that will be the case.

Also, you need 2 wands just to track 2 points in 3D space, while Natal can track 48 points without having you buy up to 8 wands for multiplayer.  Anything else such as mapping objects over your hands and what-not is also possible on Natal.  So basically Natal can do everything and more than Sony's motion can do, without the need to buy up to 8 wands.  And of course there is limitless options where Natal can augment normal controller based gameplay using leaning, voice recognition, etc.

And finally, head tracking in any game would be basically pointless (except for Natal games since you use your whole body and head tracking is just part of the overall body tracking).  You can only turn your head slightly and still see the screen well.  Such small movements won't be beneficial to the experience.  Neither would moving around the room to get different angles like the current head tracking technology is limited to.

As long as we are talking about assumptions, let's lay them all on the table. Sony's Motion Controller hasn't been confirmed to have analog sticks. However, it has been confirmed to have an analog trigger. That may be where Staude got confused.

And as for your claim that Natal will track 48 points so there will be no need for further purchases, those two statements are completely unrelated. Natal tracks 48 points on one body. That has nothing to do with multiplayer. Furthermore, your argument for additional purchases is rendered relatively moot by the fact that we don't know how much either piece of technology will cost. If Natal costs $100 and Sony's Motion controllers cost $60 for a pack of two with PlayStation Eye and $30 more for another pack of two, then there you go.

However, I would bet that Sony's offering would be about $20 per additional controller at minimum.  Possibly up to $40 per additional wand similar to Nintendo's controller prices.  I do agree that a PSEye with 2 wands should be about $60-75, though.  Also, while we know Natal can track 48 points on a body to make a wire frame, for multiplayer it could split that to 12 points per person or maybe it is even capable for 48 per person.  That is something we definitely won't know for a while.

@Xoj
Windows sure works great for me.  In fact, as an IT Professional dealing with both Mac and Windows software, it seems we have the most issues with OS X rather than any Windows OS.  I don't see how you can make such a generalized statement when MS makes so many great products that run on literally trillions of possible hardware combinations... that's impressive if you ask me.

Also, they are not trying to do what that studio does.  They are just trying to capture the 3D motion from one the front for use with gaming, not for use with mapping full body animations and hundreds to thousands of unique movements like rolls, handing from a bar upside down, fight maneuvers, etc.

Quite trying to downplay Natal.  We get that you have your doubts but this is just silly.

i have worked for IT tech of the panama canal, windows = big cluster of bugs. any IT tech will tell you,  i am software and system engineer student.

and to they are trying to do the same using only front capture, remenber the BAM! video, it didn't work right. i seen that bug before, and then i remenber it's common problem with motion capture, joints are hard to track, fingers need those balls in each joint to be able to track, and cameras tracking the movement, very high tech cams.

to implement in shows as videos way microsoft it's trying to hype it up. it would require now such equipoment even then it wouldn't work as well.



nightsurge said:
Staude said:
Seraphic_Sixaxis said:
@Smashed - As a dual HD console owner, im just stating the my opinon, Nintendos motion + and Sonys Wands + PSEye feel sort of out-dated VS NATAL, but if Sony can make this work out RIGHT then it might be equal with NATAL, as of right now though i'd rather sonys idea a 8 while MS gets a 9.

natal is the most limiting of the three. It only allows for on rail games.. Cause theres no controller.

 

ps3 has the best solution with dual analogues you'll be able to move and turn without having to point at the edge of the screen (a frustration in wii games)

 

not to mention the backup of sony and the pseye that can use various headtracking and other tools to add to the immersion.

 

Imagine a first person shooter with the wands but also using headtracking :p awesome.

Actually Sony's motion is the most limited of the three.  It only allows for on rails games because there is no analog sticks.  They have not confirmed nor even stated they will be adding any, so you can stop assuming that will be the case.

Also, you need 2 wands just to track 2 points in 3D space, while Natal can track 48 points without having you buy up to 8 wands for multiplayer.  Anything else such as mapping objects over your hands and what-not is also possible on Natal.  So basically Natal can do everything and more than Sony's motion can do, without the need to buy up to 8 wands.  And of course there is limitless options where Natal can augment normal controller based gameplay using leaning, voice recognition, etc.

And finally, head tracking in any game would be basically pointless (except for Natal games since you use your whole body and head tracking is just part of the overall body tracking).  You can only turn your head slightly and still see the screen well.  Such small movements won't be beneficial to the experience.  Neither would moving around the room to get different angles like the current head tracking technology is limited to.

Even if you were to be correct you would stil be wrong. Concidering that it has buttons you'd be able to perform tasks that you cant with natal.

Another thing is that you are basing your thing on assumption (one that is wrong) while i based my post on fact. Sony said you'll be able to play all ps3 games with the wands. In other words, they will have analogues. So you can stop assuming they wont.

 

Sure you can track 48 points when natal works on a person. But what does that let you do ? On Rail shoo.. oh wait. No.. you don't have a trigger button. On Rail Kick Boxing. So basically natal can do nothing that comes even close to what sonys tech can do and it's only advantage is that you don't need to buy 8 of them to be 4 people playing. But who needs 4 controllers normally anyways.. i mean i have 3 and that's pretty decent concidering most local multiplayer games are 2 player split screen.

Snap.

Oh and i will refrain from commenting on the rest because it's obvious from all of your post that you reek ignorance and a lack of knowledge. I hope my post helped you in that aspect, concidering that you should now know that sonys wand is superior and that everything you stated was wrong.



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Staude said:
nightsurge said:
Staude said:
Seraphic_Sixaxis said:
@Smashed - As a dual HD console owner, im just stating the my opinon, Nintendos motion + and Sonys Wands + PSEye feel sort of out-dated VS NATAL, but if Sony can make this work out RIGHT then it might be equal with NATAL, as of right now though i'd rather sonys idea a 8 while MS gets a 9.

natal is the most limiting of the three. It only allows for on rail games.. Cause theres no controller.

 

ps3 has the best solution with dual analogues you'll be able to move and turn without having to point at the edge of the screen (a frustration in wii games)

 

not to mention the backup of sony and the pseye that can use various headtracking and other tools to add to the immersion.

 

Imagine a first person shooter with the wands but also using headtracking :p awesome.

Actually Sony's motion is the most limited of the three.  It only allows for on rails games because there is no analog sticks.  They have not confirmed nor even stated they will be adding any, so you can stop assuming that will be the case.

Also, you need 2 wands just to track 2 points in 3D space, while Natal can track 48 points without having you buy up to 8 wands for multiplayer.  Anything else such as mapping objects over your hands and what-not is also possible on Natal.  So basically Natal can do everything and more than Sony's motion can do, without the need to buy up to 8 wands.  And of course there is limitless options where Natal can augment normal controller based gameplay using leaning, voice recognition, etc.

And finally, head tracking in any game would be basically pointless (except for Natal games since you use your whole body and head tracking is just part of the overall body tracking).  You can only turn your head slightly and still see the screen well.  Such small movements won't be beneficial to the experience.  Neither would moving around the room to get different angles like the current head tracking technology is limited to.

Even if you were to be correct you would stil be wrong. Concidering that it has buttons you'd be able to perform tasks that you cant with natal.

Another thing is that you are basing your thing on assumption (one that is wrong) while i based my post on fact. Sony said you'll be able to play all ps3 games with the wands. In other words, they will have analogues. So you can stop assuming they wont.

 

Sure you can track 48 points when natal works on a person. But what does that let you do ? On Rail shoo.. oh wait. No.. you don't have a trigger button. On Rail Kick Boxing. So basically natal can do nothing that comes even close to what sonys tech can do and it's only advantage is that you don't need to buy 8 of them to be 4 people playing. But who needs 4 controllers normally anyways.. i mean i have 3 and that's pretty decent concidering most local multiplayer games are 2 player split screen.

Snap.

Oh and i will refrain from commenting on the rest because it's obvious from all of your post that you reek ignorance and a lack of knowledge. I hope my post helped you in that aspect, concidering that you should now know that sonys wand is superior and that everything you stated was wrong.


you can use natal in conjunction with the 360 controller.  so yes, there are many possibilities.



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as soon as you do that you limit your arm capable movements hence it's once again a limiting factor since the controller was not made for allowing your body to move while using it.



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^Oh and Staude, Sony never said it would work with ALL current and past PS3 games.  From Kotaku:

Sony Computer Entertainment America boss Jack Tretton has told CNBC "I think our [motion] controller can be used with every game that's on the system now - and every game we're working on."

Remember, before you get too carried away, he says "I think". Not "I know". "I think" isn't a guarantee."


I'm sorry but you are the one basing things off of assumptions and wrong ones at that. It is clear that you lack imagination and the ability to think creatively, so obviously you will see no uses for Natal. That and the fact that you only ever really support PS3 hardware. Wii Motion Plus is so much superior to the Sony motion it's not even close. But as far as just Natal vs. Sony Motion, yes Natal is and always will be better and more advanced.

I'm sorry you can't grasp that. It's simply your ignorance and lack of the ability to think creatively.



nightsurge said:
^Oh and Staude, Sony never said it would work with ALL current and past PS3 games.

I'm sorry but you are the one basing things off of assumptions and wrong ones at that. It is clear that you lack imagination and the ability to think creatively, so obviously you will see no uses for Natal. That and the fact that you only ever really support PS3 hardware. Wii Motion Plus is so much superior to the Sony motion it's not even close. But as far as just Natal vs. Sony Motion, yes Natal is and always will be better and more advanced.

I'm sorry you can't grasp that. It's simply your ignorance and lack of the ability to think creatively.


that is getting a littler personal there nightsurge.  I think you need to back off and cool down or you are going to get banned.  As it is, I would probably edit out the insults in this post if I were you.



gergroy said:
nightsurge said:
^Oh and Staude, Sony never said it would work with ALL current and past PS3 games.

I'm sorry but you are the one basing things off of assumptions and wrong ones at that. It is clear that you lack imagination and the ability to think creatively, so obviously you will see no uses for Natal. That and the fact that you only ever really support PS3 hardware. Wii Motion Plus is so much superior to the Sony motion it's not even close. But as far as just Natal vs. Sony Motion, yes Natal is and always will be better and more advanced.

I'm sorry you can't grasp that. It's simply your ignorance and lack of the ability to think creatively.


that is getting a littler personal there nightsurge.  I think you need to back off and cool down or you are going to get banned.  As it is, I would probably edit out the insults in this post if I were you.

What insults?  I merely stated the obvious... I made observations the same way he attempted to, but was wrong about.  I think I'll leave my post as is.



nightsurge said:

... But as far as just Natal vs. Sony Motion, yes Natal is and always will be better and more advanced. ....

Even if that's true when it comes to consoles it means nothing. PS3 is the best made console Sony has ever made yet it's in last place. Blu-ray is clearly better than DVD yet  I'm starting to wonder if Blu-Ray will ever catch on to replace DVD.