| Squilliam said: No its not the arrogance of publishers its the arrogance of you for presuming to tell them what to do with their money/resources. |
The argument could be made that all of us, as consumers, already do that.
| Squilliam said: No its not the arrogance of publishers its the arrogance of you for presuming to tell them what to do with their money/resources. |
The argument could be made that all of us, as consumers, already do that.
Khuutra said:
The argument could be made that all of us, as consumers, already do that. |
Then it still makes it arrogant to presume that one voice speaking out in words is worth anything next to the reality of the dollars and cent voting in the market economy? 
Tease.
Squilliam said:
Then it still makes it arrogant to presume that one voice speaking out in words is worth anything next to the reality of the dollars and cent voting in the market economy? |
Granted, but only in the case where on presumes to actually lecture a company as opposed to, say, expressing one's opinions to an internet message board.
Khuutra said:
Granted, but only in the case where on presumes to actually lecture a company as opposed to, say, expressing one's opinions to an internet message board. |
You're a good man, I like you. So if you see Seece coming lock the door, well only if you want to stay with your girl. 
Tease.
| Squilliam said: No its not the arrogance of publishers its the arrogance of you for presuming to tell them what to do with their money/resources. |
| Squilliam said: No its not the arrogance of publishers its the arrogance of you for presuming to tell them what to do with their money/resources. |
I'm not telling them what to do with their money. I'm saying its ridiculous that they are basing the success of an entire genre on a single game.
Also, if deadspace doesn't sell on the Wii, maybe its just because its a sub par game. Though that remains to be see. They basically threaten us to buy dead space extraction or face the extinction of core games on the Wii (from EA at least). At least Sega is giving it a chance. If one game doesn't capture the core audience on the Wii, its not because the gamers don't want that kind of game, maybe its just not a good game. Once again, that remains to be seen.
specialops787 said:
I'm not telling them what to do with their money. I'm saying its ridiculous that they are basing the success of an entire genre on a single game. Also, if deadspace doesn't sell on the Wii, maybe its just because its a sub par game. Though that remains to be see. They basically threaten us to buy dead space extraction or face the extinction of core games on the Wii (from EA at least). At least Sega is giving it a chance. If one game doesn't capture the core audience on the Wii, its not because the gamers don't want that kind of game, maybe its just not a good game. Once again, that remains to be seen. |
They aren't threatening anyone, they are just being open and frank about the situation.
FPS sales are; Wii: 6.42M, Xbox 360: 53.81M
Some people claim that the Wii is the ideal FPS platform, but the market doesn't support it.
Shooter (third person + rail/arcade); Wii: 8.46M, Xbox 360 20.84M
RPG; Wii: 4.88M, Xbox 360: 19.44M
The market follows the money, and if the money isn't being made you'll see fewer releases its quite simple. If tomorrow some third party developer cracked the big one with a 5M+ selling FPS title on the Wii you'll see massive investment follow, but until that point its unlikely.
Also with less competition, poorer titles will still do better in an underserved market so you can't use the reasoning that 'if only they release good games, the sales will come'. It doesn't work that way.
Tease.
Squilliam said:
They aren't threatening anyone, they are just being open and frank about the situation. FPS sales are; Wii: 6.42M, Xbox 360: 53.81M Some people claim that the Wii is the ideal FPS platform, but the market doesn't support it. Shooter (third person + rail/arcade); Wii: 8.46M, Xbox 360 20.84M RPG; Wii: 4.88M, Xbox 360: 19.44M The market follows the money, and if the money isn't being made you'll see fewer releases its quite simple. If tomorrow some third party developer cracked the big one with a 5M+ selling FPS title on the Wii you'll see massive investment follow, but until that point its unlikely. Also with less competition, poorer titles will still do better in an underserved market so you can't use the reasoning that 'if only they release good games, the sales will come'. It doesn't work that way.
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Why did you put third person and rail shotoer together?
Is it because your arbitrary numbers game makes the 360 look horrible in regards to rail shooters and points out the main flaw of your analysis?
That being of course that the 360 has many many times more 1st and 3rd person shooters then the Wii.
Afterall 360 has 50 or so shooters.

| Squilliam said: They aren't threatening anyone, they are just being open and frank about the situation. FPS sales are; Wii: 6.42M, Xbox 360: 53.81M Some people claim that the Wii is the ideal FPS platform, but the market doesn't support it. Shooter (third person + rail/arcade); Wii: 8.46M, Xbox 360 20.84M RPG; Wii: 4.88M, Xbox 360: 19.44M The market follows the money, and if the money isn't being made you'll see fewer releases its quite simple. If tomorrow some third party developer cracked the big one with a 5M+ selling FPS title on the Wii you'll see massive investment follow, but until that point its unlikely. Also with less competition, poorer titles will still do better in an underserved market so you can't use the reasoning that 'if only they release good games, the sales will come'. It doesn't work that way.
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I'm not saying there is or isn't a market for these on the Wii. We just don't know yet.
As for the numbers, I'm sure there are a lot less of all those categories except rail shooters (which i would be interested to see those numbers separated from 3rd person) on the Wii. Seeing how every other game on PS360 and PC are FPS it makes sense that those numbers would be so high. But just because 'casual' titles are non-existent on PS360 doesn't mean they wouldn't sell well if they were done right.
The only non-call of duty/metal of honor FPS on Wii I know of is the conduit. That game currently has a rating of 69 on metacritic. You can't say it didn't sell up to its hype just because there wasn't a market for it. Thankfully High Voltage and Sega aren't giving up on Wii despite less than stellar performance. The surface of the core market on Wii is just barely being scratched now, so IN MY OPINION its a little early to give up, or release a title that is suppose to make or break the core offerings on Wii.
Like I said before, thankfully Sega and HV aren't as pessimistic. But, obviously if these next couple of games don't fare well, I don't expect them to keep making core Wii games just for me, since obviously yall don't want any. I have a 360 and PC too, so I'll live.
EDIT: There's also red steel, but i can confidently say they didn't sell well (it did sell over a million) because it was sub par. Hopefully 2 is better.
specialops787 said:
I'm not saying there is or isn't a market for these on the Wii. We just don't know yet. As for the numbers, I'm sure there are a lot less of all those categories except rail shooters (which i would be interested to see those numbers separated from 3rd person) on the Wii. Seeing how every other game on PS360 and PC are FPS it makes sense that those numbers would be so high. But just because 'casual' titles are non-existent on PS360 doesn't mean they wouldn't sell well if they were done right. The only non-call of duty/metal of honor FPS on Wii I know of is the conduit. That game currently has a rating of 69 on metacritic. You can't say it didn't sell up to its hype just because there wasn't a market for it. Thankfully High Voltage and Sega aren't giving up on Wii despite less than stellar performance. The surface of the core market on Wii is just barely being scratched now, so IN MY OPINION its a little early to give up, or release a title that is suppose to make or break the core offerings on Wii. Like I said before, thankfully Sega and HV aren't as pessimistic. But, obviously if these next couple of games don't fare well, I don't expect them to keep making core Wii games just for me, since obviously yall don't want any. I have a 360 and PC too, so I'll live. EDIT: There's also red steel, but i can confidently say they didn't sell well (it did sell over a million) because it was sub par. Hopefully 2 is better. |
Just on rail shooters would be something like under a million vs millions.
360 really doesn't have any successful rail shooters.
Why you would combine rail shooters with FPS shooters.... being first person and all... rather then third person shooters if you were going to combine it with anything... confuses me.
