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stika on 04 September 2009
Kasz216 said:
stika said:
tarheel91 said:
2600 gets too much credit. NES didn't save the industry; the NES was the phoenix down that revived it from nonexistence. The NES was actually worse off than the 2600 ever was. Thanks to the crash, both retailers and consumers had a negative view of video games (terribly selling consoles and games for the retailers; terrible games for the consumers). The NES had to overcome the negative perception, and after doing so, proceeded to expand the market like negative before.

At the same time, the 2600, while responsible for a great majority of that initial growth back in the early 70s, was also responsible for a lot of the problems that led to the crash (ridiculously long life cycle, no quality protection, etc). A lot of people forget just how terrible most games were on the 2600, and they focus on the few shining examples of greatness.

You have to remember that the NES only revived the industry in the US

neither Japan or Europe ever had the great console crash

Also the NES was actually listed #1 in IGNs top 5.  Darth just phrased the title weird.

It's not something i'm sure I agree with, personally I'd rate the 2600 over the NES, but i can understand and accept the logic behind it



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durtysouthhustlah on 04 September 2009

It just goes to show that the world spins different than some posters on this site. Thankfully, the world doesn't revolve around you all.

I think the list rocks.



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darthdevidem01 on 04 September 2009

Didn't Playstation 1 lead to a major EU Gaming market actually being established?



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stika on 04 September 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
Didn't Playstation 1 lead to a major EU Gaming market actually being established?

I always thought Sega was the one who did that



darthdevidem01 on 04 September 2009

@stika

I don't know, but I read somewhere PS1 was responsible for EU's emergence as a major player

due to SONY localizing games for many EU countries



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tarheel91 on 04 September 2009
stika said:
tarheel91 said:
2600 gets too much credit. NES didn't save the industry; the NES was the phoenix down that revived it from nonexistence. The NES was actually worse off than the 2600 ever was. Thanks to the crash, both retailers and consumers had a negative view of video games (terribly selling consoles and games for the retailers; terrible games for the consumers). The NES had to overcome the negative perception, and after doing so, proceeded to expand the market like negative before.

At the same time, the 2600, while responsible for a great majority of that initial growth back in the early 70s, was also responsible for a lot of the problems that led to the crash (ridiculously long life cycle, no quality protection, etc). A lot of people forget just how terrible most games were on the 2600, and they focus on the few shining examples of greatness.

You have to remember that the NES only revived the industry in the US

neither Japan or Europe ever had the great console crash

Europe was irrelevant in terms of the video game market at that time, and the only reason Japan didn't see such a crash was because Atari never introduced a console until 1983.  The Atari 2800, as it was called, was destroyed by the Famicom/Nes.  Until Nintendo (or atleast, until the Famicom, as Nintendo made arcade games before the Famicom), the Japanese video game market was dominated largely by arcades.



stika on 04 September 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
@stika

I don't know, but I read somewhere PS1 was responsible for EU's emergence as a major player

due to SONY localizing games for many EU countries

I remember seeing sega do the same, I remember a lot of games were translated into french and German



stika on 04 September 2009
tarheel91 said:
stika said:
tarheel91 said:
2600 gets too much credit. NES didn't save the industry; the NES was the phoenix down that revived it from nonexistence. The NES was actually worse off than the 2600 ever was. Thanks to the crash, both retailers and consumers had a negative view of video games (terribly selling consoles and games for the retailers; terrible games for the consumers). The NES had to overcome the negative perception, and after doing so, proceeded to expand the market like negative before.

At the same time, the 2600, while responsible for a great majority of that initial growth back in the early 70s, was also responsible for a lot of the problems that led to the crash (ridiculously long life cycle, no quality protection, etc). A lot of people forget just how terrible most games were on the 2600, and they focus on the few shining examples of greatness.

You have to remember that the NES only revived the industry in the US

neither Japan or Europe ever had the great console crash

Europe was irrelevant in terms of the video game market at that time, and the only reason Japan didn't see such a crash was because Atari never introduced a console until 1983.  The Atari 2800, as it was called, was destroyed by the Famicom/Nes.  Until Nintendo (or atleast, until the Famicom, as Nintendo made arcade games before the Famicom), the Japanese video game market was dominated largely by arcades.

Europe was irrelevant? Hardly, the difference is that Europe was mainly focused on computers, specially the spectrum

 

I never said the Atari was popular in Japan, i simply said that the NES didn't save either Japan or Europe because there was no need to

 

EDIT: The fact that many Japanese arcade games were ported over to the Atari 2600 also helped, games like donkey kong by nintendo, frogger by sega, galaxian by namco, etc.



pastro243 on 04 September 2009
kowenicki said:
Is there anyone that isnt a sony fan or isnt under 20 bitching about this list?

It seems old guys think they are better or something.

OT: I find it very stupid to dicuss this list, it wont change the personal console ranking that each of us have in our mind.



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tarheel91 on 04 September 2009
stika said:
tarheel91 said:
stika said:
tarheel91 said:
2600 gets too much credit. NES didn't save the industry; the NES was the phoenix down that revived it from nonexistence. The NES was actually worse off than the 2600 ever was. Thanks to the crash, both retailers and consumers had a negative view of video games (terribly selling consoles and games for the retailers; terrible games for the consumers). The NES had to overcome the negative perception, and after doing so, proceeded to expand the market like negative before.

At the same time, the 2600, while responsible for a great majority of that initial growth back in the early 70s, was also responsible for a lot of the problems that led to the crash (ridiculously long life cycle, no quality protection, etc). A lot of people forget just how terrible most games were on the 2600, and they focus on the few shining examples of greatness.

You have to remember that the NES only revived the industry in the US

neither Japan or Europe ever had the great console crash

Europe was irrelevant in terms of the video game market at that time, and the only reason Japan didn't see such a crash was because Atari never introduced a console until 1983.  The Atari 2800, as it was called, was destroyed by the Famicom/Nes.  Until Nintendo (or atleast, until the Famicom, as Nintendo made arcade games before the Famicom), the Japanese video game market was dominated largely by arcades.

Europe was irrelevant? Hardly, the difference is that Europe was mainly focused on computers, specially the spectrum

 

I never said the Atari was popular in Japan, i simply said that the NES didn't save either Japan or Europe because there was no need to

 

EDIT: The fact that many Japanese arcade games were ported over to the Atari 2600 also helped, games like donkey kong by nintendo, frogger by sega, galaxian by namco, etc.

If you looked at my argument in the first post, you'll notice that I was arguing that the 2600 gets too much credit.  I assumed you were attempting to counter that.  I agree that the NES didn't revive either of those markets, but it did revive the largest console market from literal death, and created a market in Japan (Europe would really be developed later with the PS1).