@ billsalias

The reasons why I think that's the case I have given in an earlier message. I think they are solid arguments.

The reason why I share my opinion is because I am not the type of guy shy of sharing my opinion, nomatter how impopular it may with a majority of local vocals. I am not here to win a popularity contest.

This is a website dedicated to sales discussion, thus take a step back and it's simple to put things together.

There is nothing wrong with having an opinion. MikeB has gone beyond just having an opinion and accused the site of being wrong without good data to back it up. They are far from solid arguments when all that exists is some cherry picked numbers and anecdotal stories.

Opinions are worth jack squat. Give logical analysis based on credible data and you'll get respect.

MikeB said: @ billsalias What is your goal in claiming that "the 360 is usually well overtracked and the PS3 significantly undertracked. " The reasons why I think that's the case I have given in an earlier message. I think they are solid arguments. The reason why I share my opinion is because I am not the type of guy shy of sharing my opinion, nomatter how impopular it may with a majority of local vocals. I am not here to win a popularity contest. This is a website dedicated to sales discussion, thus take a step back and it's simple to put things together.

Its pretty obvious billsalias does not lack reading comprehension skills.

Its also pretty obvious you are avoiding answering on his points.

Everything is proceeding like typical MikeB clockwork.

Grimes said: There is nothing wrong with having an opinion. MikeB has gone beyond just having an opinion and accused the site of being wrong without good data to back it up. They are far from solid arguments when all that exists is some cherry picked numbers and anecdotal data.

Cherry picked data? They are the only truly correct (has to be, as in legally) and official figures we have to our disposal. All other data is (educated) guesswork.

MikeB said: Grimes said: There is nothing wrong with having an opinion. MikeB has gone beyond just having an opinion and accused the site of being wrong without good data to back it up. They are far from solid arguments when all that exists is some cherry picked numbers and anecdotal data. Cherry picked data? They are the only truly correct (has to be, as in legally) and official figures we have to our disposal. All other data is (educated) guesswork.

 

Cherry picked data is factual data but chosen to only support a particular viewpoint, ignoring all other data which might contradict that viewpoint.

MikeB said: @ billsalias What is your goal in claiming that "the 360 is usually well overtracked and the PS3 significantly undertracked. " The reasons why I think that's the case I have given in an earlier message. I think they are solid arguments. The reason why I share my opinion is because I am not the type of guy shy of sharing my opinion, nomatter how impopular it may with a majority of local vocals. I am not here to win a popularity contest. This is a website dedicated to sales discussion, thus take a step back and it's simple to put things together.

 

Ok, I will do for you what you seem unwiling to do for me, which is address all of the points in your post directly.

I did not ask why you think what you think I asked what is your goal, which you still have not answered. A goal is the end you hope to achieve with your actions. In this case your action is sharing your opinion, what is it you hope to accomplish by doing so.

Your not being shy and not being concerned with popularity contest is not a reason to share your opinion it is explaining why if you have a reason you would not hesitate to share it. So you still have not said what motivated you to post your theory about the errors in PS3 and 360 tracking.

As far as your solid arguments they have all be refuted line for line.

As you say this is a sales discussion board and you proposed a theory that the sales informaiton offered by the site is not accurate and provided 1 piece of data, that the number show more PS3 stock on the shelf at the end of June then you think is reasonable. You were given several possible explanations for this (early slim shipments, pushing stock ahead of the manufacturing switch over, timing of shipments such that PS3 had a big shipment right before the end of the quarter, actuall lack of demand for PS3) all of which are backed up by empiracal data gathered by the VGChartz team.

Your other point was that PS3 is out of stock in your area. As everyone knows that is statistically meaningless because of the sample size. For every person that claims their area is sold out there is a person that says there are stacks of them in their area.

In any case neither can be proven so we are never going to resolve the conclusively even when the next quarters shipment number arrive so why continue to insist you are right?

And as I have said several times, and you have yet to address, regardless of which theory you back the change in the sales figures is so small as to make the results moot.

So as you said it is simple, but I think you are the one that is trying to complicate it so as to prevent your failure to support your argument and its lack of signficance regardless of outcome.

And just so you know, my goal in continuing this discussion is to expose the motivation behind your actions so we all can learn something about you as a person to help us frame your comments in the future.

billsalias said: MikeB said: @ billsalias What is your goal in claiming that "the 360 is usually well overtracked and the PS3 significantly undertracked. " The reasons why I think that's the case I have given in an earlier message. I think they are solid arguments. The reason why I share my opinion is because I am not the type of guy shy of sharing my opinion, nomatter how impopular it may with a majority of local vocals. I am not here to win a popularity contest. This is a website dedicated to sales discussion, thus take a step back and it's simple to put things together.   Ok, I will do for you what you seem unwiling to do for me, which is address all of the points in your post directly. I did not ask why you think what you think I asked what is your goal, which you still have not answered. A goal is the end you hope to achieve with your actions. In this case your action is sharing your opinion, what is it you hope to accomplish by doing so. Your not being shy and not being concerned with popularity contest is not a reason to share your opinion it is explaining why if you have a reason you would not hesitate to share it. So you still have not said what motivated you to post your theory about the errors in PS3 and 360 tracking. As far as your solid arguments they have all be refuted line for line. As you say this is a sales discussion board and you proposed a theory that the sales informaiton offered by the site is not accurate and provided 1 piece of data, that the number show more PS3 stock on the shelf at the end of June then you think is reasonable. You were given several possible explanations for this (early slim shipments, pushing stock ahead of the manufacturing switch over, timing of shipments such that PS3 had a big shipment right before the end of the quarter, actuall lack of demand for PS3) all of which are backed up by empiracal data gathered by the VGChartz team. Your other point was that PS3 is out of stock in your area. As everyone knows that is statistically meaningless because of the sample size. For every person that claims their area is sold out there is a person that says there are stacks of them in their area. In any case neither can be proven so we are never going to resolve the conclusively even when the next quarters shipment number arrive so why continue to insist you are right? And as I have said several times, and you have yet to address, regardless of which theory you back the change in the sales figures is so small as to make the results moot. So as you said it is simple, but I think you are the one that is trying to complicate it so as to prevent your failure to support your argument and its lack of signficance regardless of outcome. And just so you know, my goal in continuing this discussion is to expose the motivation behind your actions so we all can learn something about you as a person to help us frame your comments in the future.

There are several people on this site that have gone to great lengths to try to figure this out.  The only member here that I have seen with any reasoning is Nightsurge. 

There is some info in this thread from last week.  http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=83775

@ billsalias

Better accuracy, like I stated before. This regards all the data here, including the PS2, which I never owned. I hope ioi can find out where the huge gap between sold to retail and reported figures originate from.

For example in the past I stated that I expected the PS2 to still be a viable platform in certain markets, VGChartz claimed it was dying quickly. With the console beating both PS3 and 360 last quarter it's obvious VGChartz can be pretty wrong.

It's a hobby discussing this stuff for me, to see how well I am able to predict things ahead and such. But in general I am far more a tech person than a sales person.



Unlikely, stocking so far ahead costs retailers money. Sony warehous stocking is in theory possible but we are talking about sold to retail figures.



Retailers usually only buy new stock when the old stock is nearly running out. That's a very common approach for sales company.



Look above.

It's cute that you want to change my mind, but sorry your arguments won't. Nor is there really a need or is there?

It's not even worth arguing with people like MikeB who just makes up crap. It's circular, the more arguments you shoot down, the more baloney he spews. An endless cycle.

At my store, we still have a lot of 160GB PS3s even though the slim has been out for a while.

Don't forget the 160GB still counts as a fat ps3.