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outlawauron said:
TheRealMafoo said:

This is why I think marriage should be completely out of the legal system.

First off, this is never going to pass, and I am glad it won't. While I think same sex couples should have all the same legal rights everyone else, I also think it's crazy to expect a church to be for it.

It's like expecting a hindu temples to serve hambergers. it goes against what they believe.

The solution, is to make it a moot point, and to make everyone recognized as a civil union with respect to the law. Two people, for any reason, should legally be able to form this bond. I know a woman who is in her 40's, and lives wit her mother. She will until the day her mother dies and has no intentions of being in a relationship. She should be allowed to have a civil union with her mother.

Same goes for two people who are roommates, but not in a relationship.

Government needs to stay out of peoples personal lives,.

I more or less agree with this. I believe that marriage is a religious thing and is literally defined as union between man and woman. If homosexual couples want to get the same tax benefits as a married couple (which I think is the only reason they'd want it) then so be it. I don't really care about that.

Sure some do it for tax reason like many straight couples do. The truth is gay couples want to marry for exactly the same reasons as straight couples and those reasons vary from couple to couple. Tax reasons, celebrating their union, having a big party, officializing their love in front of God, they all apply to straight AND gay couples.



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WessleWoggle said:
@outlaw

I believe that marriage is a cultural thing because natives tribes
who are without a religion still get married, and they've never even heard of religion.

You don't think native tribes ever believed in some sort of higher power? I find that kinda funny.



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CommunistHater said:
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stof said:
And he's comparing gays to nazi's. Which isn't far off, the two did have quite the connection. The nazi's even picked out that cute little pink triangle for the gays.

Dude, no one will take you seriously if you compare "the right to be yourself" with "the right to hate others"

actually, no one will take him seriously as long as he has that name. he can't expect people to listen to your opinion when his own user name shows he is baised. i wonder if i can get him banned by reporting his name makes me feel bad?? CommunistHater makes me feel like an unwanted minority, you know.

This is not about gays it is about people who do not tolerate religous beliefs.  Communists control religion that is why i hate them.  I hate anyone who does not tolerate religous beliefs. 

If communism was a religion would you respect it?

Why should people arbitrarily respect things that do harm to others? I'm not saying All religion does harm to others, but if somebody wants to oppress in the name of religion, they can't turn around and demand that you respect their right to oppress others because it's religiously motivated. Should we respect the rights of the KKK to put burning crosses in the front yards of black people? I mean they are doing it for religious reasons, they can show you scriptures. You may not agree with their scriptures, but I'm sure there are plenty of people disagreeing with the christian right's interpretation of scripture too. But hell, if it's religion it MUST be respected, right?

 

 Mafoo has the right idea, and it's not a new one. People have been saying this for some time now. The easiest way to solve this is to have the government stop getting involved in "Marriage". That way the christians that have their panties in a wad about gays getting "married" can go fuck off, which is stupid to begin with. Christians didn't invent marriage and if they did why aren't their any christian groups complaining about muslims, hindus, atheists, and satanists getting "Married"? Aren't they all offensive to the christian god? There should only be civil unions as far as the government is concerned, and let people call the unions whatever the hell they want.

 

Also, it's not intolerance if a minority starts to question the massive majority that has all of the power, money and influence in the country, it's a revolt.

I do not tolerate radical religions that force me to be of their religion.  Some sects of Islam want to force me to convert to their faith.  Communists force people to not live their religions. 

It must be respected if it is not hurting your rights to practice your religion. 

A religous photographer was sued and has to pay money to a same-sex couple when she denied their request to photograph their committment ceremony.

That is the government forcing someone to go along with anothers beliefs. 

Someone being fired from the marriage license place because they do not want to give licenses to same-sex couple is forcing someone to go against their beliefs.

You are right questioning whether its good to be for or against same-sex relationships is not intolerance, but the government enforcement is.



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CommunistHater said:

Professor John Culhane of Widener University School of Law is proposing a new version of this: a requirement that businesses that have a religious objection to homosexuality, and that would prefer not to offer services for gay couples that want to get married, should be required to state their objection on the outside of the business.

Religous Discrimination needs to stop.


As compared to racial and sexual discrimination, which is okay?



Seece said:

Good I hope they do, I don't want to help any anti gay people. Let them get hit harder by the recession for their ignorance.

 

Reminds me of this shop down town called "J Source" (I know right ...) it sells books and stationary and it's constantly empty

Reminds me of when people wanted Jews to suffer more from the depression.



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outlawauron said:
WessleWoggle said:
@outlaw

I believe that marriage is a cultural thing because natives tribes
who are without a religion still get married, and they've never even heard of religion.

You don't think native tribes ever believed in some sort of higher power? I find that kinda funny.

There's one native tribe they have found that has no higher power...

They still get married.



TheRealMafoo said:

This is why I think marriage should be completely out of the legal system.

First off, this is never going to pass, and I am glad it won't. While I think same sex couples should have all the same legal rights everyone else, I also think it's crazy to expect a church to be for it.

It's like expecting a hindu temples to serve hambergers. it goes against what they believe.

The solution, is to make it a moot point, and to make everyone recognized as a civil union with respect to the law. Two people, for any reason, should legally be able to form this bond. I know a woman who is in her 40's, and lives wit her mother. She will until the day her mother dies and has no intentions of being in a relationship. She should be allowed to have a civil union with her mother.

Same goes for two people who are roommates, but not in a relationship.

Government needs to stay out of peoples personal lives,.

You're missing one key point to make this identical to my position on the issue.  Churches should be allowed to recognize any civil union they wish to as a marriage under their church...so you would literally have a "Catholic Marriage" or a "Protestant Marriage" etc...

Government has its tax status, churches get unique control over their definition of marriage, and everyone has the same rights in regards to who they spend their life with.  It is a win-win all around really.

 

 

As for this issue - I think you guys are being a bit dismissive quite frankly.  Obviously the comparison of gays to nazis is pretty damn absurd but thats not really the comparison that is being made is it? You're taking the next step beyond what is actually said to make the comparison.  All the OP really says is that branding people...for any reason....is spooky nazi type stuff....and that much is true.  The bottom line is no matter how good the reason its wrong.

If you want to point out that gays are most certainly not nazis then fine, nobody disagrees, but to say:

stof said:
I don't think it's necessary, but maybe it's not such a bad idea.

 just sort of makes his point and undermines your treating him like he is paranoid.  There really isn't a chance in hell it will get implemented atm obviously but the fact that the idea finds any support here at all is telling nevertheless.

Intolerance exists within the gay community as well, and frankly they could and would accomplish a lot more if they distanced themselves from those who support and/or employ thuggish tactics like this and like the house visits we saw in the aftermath of prop 8.  Those things don't help the cause at all.

 



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CommunistHater said:

At the start of the Nazi regime, Joseph Goebbels encouraged Germans to boycott Jewish-owned businesses. Within a short time, Nazi thugs had painted Stars of David or written “Jude” or “Juden” across Jewish-owned storefronts throughout Germany.

We look back with horror at this today.

Professor John Culhane of Widener University School of Law is proposing a new version of this: a requirement that businesses that have a religious objection to homosexuality, and that would prefer not to offer services for gay couples that want to get married, should be required to state their objection on the outside of the business.

I reccommend Just Uniting Different External Naturals or JUDEN.

With the internet now people can mark the storefronts digitally as they are now doing.  A huge thread on a gaming forum recently told people to boycott a game that had connection to a J.U.D.E.N.

Religous Discrimination needs to stop.

 

1. This "professor" should learn German, as Juden just on its own was never ever written somewhere and makes no sense grammatical-wise in German. Yes, it's the correct plural form, but you simply can't use the plural form in German without a sentence if you mean yourself or others, if you don't want to state yourself to be uneducated.

 

2. Everybody who appreciates that some idiots compare their own opinion with the holocaust is just a dangerous fool. I feel offended by that and I can only guess how rightful offended any Jew might be.



I don't see how this is religious intolerance, it seems more to me intolerance by the religious. A marriage photographer couldn't say 'sorry, we don't do photos of black people' - why are they allowed to say 'sorry, we don't do photos of gays'?

The government has the obligation to enforce equal treatment for everybody.



CommunistHater said:

I do not tolerate radical religions that force me to be of their religion.  Some sects of Islam want to force me to convert to their faith.  Communists force people to not live their religions. 

It must be respected if it is not hurting your rights to practice your religion. 

A religous photographer was sued and has to pay money to a same-sex couple when she denied their request to photograph their committment ceremony.

That is the government forcing someone to go along with anothers beliefs. 

Someone being fired from the marriage license place because they do not want to give licenses to same-sex couple is forcing someone to go against their beliefs.

You are right questioning whether its good to be for or against same-sex relationships is not intolerance, but the government enforcement is.

So then you're for questioning whether or not it's ok to burn crosses in black people's front lawns, or deny them service at stores, but if the government makes it illegal to burn crosses in their front yard and forces you to sell pie to them in a resteraunt then the government is being intolerant of the KKK's religious positions?

A photographer can't say "I don't take pictures of gays" anymore than a store owner can say "I don't sell products to negros". If she didn't want to do it, she definitely should've come up with a better reason than "Sorry, I don't photograph queers."

The woman working at the marriage liscense place is an idiot. That is her job, if she can't do her job for religious reasons she shouldn't work there. If your religious beliefs are going to contradict your job description, get a different job. Don't complain that the job is infringing on your beliefs. Hindu's don't go work at slaughter houses and then refuse to kill cows. And if they did would you really give them sympathy for getting fired for not doing their job?

If the government has to choose between a person's equality and another person's religion, personhood trumps religion. That's why blacks have the same rights as whites even if there were plenty of religious groups that said that this was an offense to god, and their religion. If a religion is trying to supress a group's personhood, then their doctrines should not be protected by the government.

And for the love of whatever deity you choose, STOP comparing American christians to Jews in Nazi Germany. Nobody, I repeat NOBODY, one more time for emphasis NO-FUCKING-BODY will take you even remotely seriously if you try to bring Nazi's and communists into every god damned discussion, especially if you're trying to compare your rich, politically powerful, ideological, majority group to an abused, racial minority, during a time of extreme prejudice and violence. So do yourself a favor, and stop.



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