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TRios_Zen said:
pic414 said:
I think I am able to transcend bias fairly well.

The whole fanboy thing is like a nuclear arms race though. Someone launched a biased untrue attack and then the victims of that attack struck back with their own biased attacks. Now all the warmongers attach onto any little thing they can to damage the reputation of the others and the normal people have to deal with the fallout.

I agree with the escalation thing; some of the garbage that comes out of any fanboys mouth is pure hate, with intent to insite response.

But I'm thinking about the more subtle effect of bias...the "I prefer achievements to trophies" (or vice versa) with no real reason behind why, type of thing.

Well, the subtle effects may be more just personal preference or what one is used to. Change can be good but it can also be hard to adjust to. I think if i were to switch to acheivements from trophies I would like them less because I know what trophies look and sound like and though achievements are very similar they are slightly different and at least in the beginning my brain has to learn them. I think there is a natural aversion to unnecessary change as it takes up energy that could be used to keep us alive and our animal hardwiring doesn't like that.

 

bam! genetics causes bias.



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Torillian said:
Noone can transcend bias, but I don't think bias is necessarily evil either. Bias is just part of who you are, only when you let your bias make you do bad things like putting down what others enjoy or demeaning the choices of others does bias become a bad thing. Before that bias is just a quality, no more evil than eye color.

Sorry to go on a tangent there.


This is a good point.  We all have biases, or we wouldn't be individuals. 

The difference between fanboys and gamers(I like to think I'm a gamer),  is that I don't let my biases rule me.



I game.  You game.  We game.

I'm a videogamer, not a fanboy, but have a special place for Nintendo.

Current Systems Owned: NSwitch/PS4/XONE/WiiU/3DS/2DS/PCGaming Rig-i7/ASUS i7 Gaming Laptop.

Previous Game Consoles:  PS3/Xbox360/Wii/DSL/Pretty much every one thats been released since the Atari 2600.

Crashdown77 said:
Nope, I am clearly biased, but I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. As humans it's important for us to have preferences, we have to be able to make decisions and we use bias (stereotypes) to do so. In the stone age, when we heard a roar we assumed (stereotyped) that roar was a predator. If we hadn't had that bias, we might think "I should be open minded and not assume that roar is bad, hey I'll go check it out." Dead caveman. It's perfectly natural for us to be biased. The kicker is that we shouldn't use our biases to be rude or mean to one another, because after all, we're not cavemen anymore.

I'm not disagreeing with you, and as I noted above, evil was probably the wrong word to use.  I do think though that it's possible that folks could miss out on say a Gears, or a Valkyria, or an SMB, because their bias prevents them from owning a system, and that is too bad.

I understand that some can't afford (time or money maybe) all three, and this isn't about that, just the enjoyment of games on antother system as affected by your preference for one or the other.



TRios_Zen said:
Aion said:
No i just play games.

Oh I play them too; I don't allow my bias to dictate what games I do or don't play, but it would be disingenuous to deny it existed.

It happens sometimes.



 

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TRios_Zen said:
Scoobes said:
Are you really being bias or just comparing to previous experiences regardless of console? It seems to me by the way you've written you OP, that your critique is simply a result of having played a large number of games from a range of consoles. Not so much due to bias. Unless there's more to add?

It's hard to say.

I think, that generally a preference for one system over another, may color your opinion of one game versus another.  For example, would I enjoy infamous more than prototype if I was biased towards the PS3?  That might not be a good example as I think infamous has been considered by most to be the better game, but do you see the possible effect?

Well, its impossible to be completely unbias as you're only a human-being, so there will exist some bias and preference to one thing over another that can at times go completely against logical thinking. But, to be honest, from the sound of your post your critique seems mostly logical and down to experience of other games that exist on other consoles, which I think is a perfectly good way to critique games (as well as games on the same console of course).



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pre this gen, i was a heavily biased Sony fanboy, lol

now, i own all 3 (+PC, i know you PC fanboys whine when i leave you out), i guess one could say my bias now is toward my 360, as i use it most and more games for it than the others, though, i did get my 360 in 2006, PS3 and Wii are both 2008 purchases, so to an extent its to be expected, my Wii game collection is relatively small but i play the games i have for it a fair amount, my PS3 game collection is also small at the moment, but GT5P gets some good mileage every now and then, i also watch many blu-rays on PS3.

of course, again as a nod to the PC fans among you, Football Manager 2009 is my most played game of the last year (infact, for any given year, the latest CM then FM is probably most played game)

i guess one could say i have a pro PC and 360 gaming bias, but without the implied anti Wii or PS3 bias, just that my bias toward the later 2 is less than the former 2.



I like what SciFiBoy said, I feel like I have a pro 360 bias but without a corresponding PS3 anti bias. I can completely understand why someone would like the games on that console better.



You're describing normal preference through experience, not bias IMHO. So relax you're a really good person!

Seriously though, what you describe is unavoidable. We all develop preferences based on experience and what it signalled for us.

So, for example, if you play FPS on 360 and find the triggers great, then play the exact same FPS on PS3 and find the controller only okay, that experience colours your view. Your brain simply informs your emotional response (sorry, sounding very Blade Runner here) and you cannot avoid feeling the 360 experience was somewhat better. Conversely, perhaps with a fighting game or platforming game, the experience might reverse, with your brain recording the PS3 controller and experience as slightly better.

Sure, if you really concentrate and put effort in you can theoretically overcome just about any learnt bias, but that can be tough - because in the end you may be trying to compensate for something real - i.e. perhaps the 360 controller really is just better for you. I think you're denying your own preferences to go that far.

For my myself, although I can now enjoy an FPS on consoles, either 360 or PS3, because I first encountered FPS on PC, and still play FPS on PC, I always find the console FPS just that little bit lacking. If only this was on PC, I can't help musing. I guess I could 'force' myself to cancel out my knowledge and experience of FPS with K&M on PC, but why?

When your bias in uninformed, driven by immaturity, overly competitive behaviour and is unfounded then you need to worry.

Just enjoy what you play on 360 to the max afforded by your set-up, and ditto for the PS3 - oh, and try out K&M on PC for FPS, it's even better... whoops, letting my bias creep in there!



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

@Reasonable that was very good post!



Sorry, folks, it was lunch time...some really good posts here.

I agree with everything said here; so I'd further the question to this: how then can we mitigate that bias when assessing the quality of games presented. NOT so much individually, but in our reviewers - you know, the ones we trust and even for those reviewers here (not saying anyone in particular has been bad)?