I guess you need to be reminded that MS lost more money on the Xbox than Sony has on the PS3, also the 1.6 billion, and counting, the RROD cost MS is not included in the "gaming devision" so your comments seem like a bitter fan boy.  Still, I must ask, what the hell does that have to do with how well the 360 will sell the holiday?

"I guess you need to be reminded that MS lost more money on the Xbox than Sony has on the PS3, also the 1.6 billion, and counting, the RROD cost MS is not included in the "gaming devision" so your comments seem like a bitter fan boy. Still, I must ask, what the hell does that have to do with how well the 360 will sell the holiday?"

Excuse me?

- 360 costs less to make than the PS3
- Xbox Live generates more revenue (i.e. more than .01) than the PSN.

Lets throw out the fact too that Microsoft has much, much more disposable income than Sony, so the argument here is kind of a moot point to start with.

Just how much has the PS3 cost Sony? We know it's well over 4.4 billion dollars just from adding up their losses in the last 3 years, but those losses also include the profits they'll have made from the PS2, PSP, game sales, accessory sales, downloadable content etc., so clearly the PS3 has lost them WAY more than "just" 4.4 billion.

The Xbox 360 just needs to keep steady.

What I was trying to point out is none of that crap in hardyhar's comments has anything to do with how well the 360 will do this holiday.  Both companies have lost billions on there consoles over the years, and it doesn't mean shit when it comes down the the sales this holiday season.

Actually, I was addressing someone who said that MS had not dropped the price as much as Sony have. Sony may have dropped the price, but that's only contributed to their huge losses and selling the Slim at a loss will just make that situation worse. Companies have to balance trying to increase market share without trying to bleed too much money, and looking at Sony's recent financial reports, they're not exactly doing a good job of that. Huge multi-billion dollar losses and still millions behind the 360 and Wii.

But people don't perceive like it dropped $180. Console buying people are thinking 'how much is the HHD equipped good X360?" And since the Elite is replacing the 60GB, the price is kept at $299 - the HDD equipped X360 SKU has only become $100 cheaper for the consumer in four years (same with the Basic/Arcade SKU)

Fair comment, but there will also be people who think of the Elite as having its price as slashed by $100, just as there will be those who think "the price of getting a 360 with a hard drive is the same, you just get a bigger hard drive".

I don't think there will be a significant boost, but do they really need one? If PS3 sales double in the US in December compared to last year, they'll still only match the Xbox 360's sales (slightly exceed them actually, but not by much). If you double November's PS3 sales, they're still below the 360's figures for November 2008.

Yes, and there will also be people who think of the PS3 as having it's price as slashed by $300!

Yes the money set aside for RRoD problem was included in the gaming division. The costs associated with RRoD were set out as a 1 time cost 2 years ago and the costs associated with repairing the RRoD consoles have been paid for from that account.

As for MS plans. MS just may be taking advantage of the fact that they have a nearly unsurmountable lead on the PS3 and have decided to enjoy the 360 hardware being profitable and let the PS3 catch up a little.