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Euphoria14 on 21 August 2009

I bought my 360 because they had some JRPGs I wanted.

People always told me it was stupid to buy a system for just 1 game, but I bought mine at Lost Odyssey launch, just for Lost Odyssey.



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Seraphic_Sixaxis on 21 August 2009
Euphoria14 said:

I bought my 360 because they had some JRPGs I wanted.

People always told me it was stupid to buy a system for just 1 game, but I bought mine at Lost Odyssey launch, just for Lost Odyssey.

Same here, bought my 360 only for Star Ocean: The Last Hope...then i saw Infinite Undiscovery... Then LO... Then Boobies er... i mean DOA:Extreme and 4... then N3... then KUF1... then... well exclusives. :D



durtysouthhustlah on 21 August 2009
The said:
^And still can't play blu-ray and have to pay $50 for XLive Gold....

Your point?

Since when was online essential when your friends frequent your hacienda or flat? It's all about playing and getting there on the cheap. And the Arcade allows folks to choose what they want. I can't be brainwashed to say "Please, force me to buy this system." No, I love having a choice.



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DjFlex53 on 21 August 2009
dougsdad0629 said:
Onyxmeth said:
dougsdad0629 said:
Onyxmeth said:
dougsdad0629 said:

Microsoft should be extremely worried that their system is the same price now as the PS3.  Now that the price is a non-factor (who actually buys the 360 arcade unit?) for each company's fully featured console, the 360 looks absolutely primitive by comparison.  The PS3 plays Blu-ray...the 360 DVD.  PS3 has built in Wi-Fi...the 360 not.  The PS3 has free online...the 360 makes you pay.  The PS3 has a slot loading disc drive...the 360 an antiquated tray.  The PS3 is reliable...the 360 not so much.  I'm sure other people can think of more examples.  The point is that MS should not be looking to match the PS3's price.  They should be looking to beat it considering what each console offers.  The Elite 360 should sell at $249 or even $199.

Notice I'm not talking about the games here.  "Good" or "bad" games are a purely subjective matter.

If I combine a microwave oven and a 360 into one package and keep the price at $300, the 360 will essentially be saving you $30-50 on a microwave. That's value. Unfortunately, not everyone gives a shit about having a microwave and a game console all in one, and that's what you don't seem to comprehend. Value only has value so long as it adds a feature the prospective buyer cares about. What you don't seem to understand is that the value of the 360 is in that final sentence you can't seem to wrap your head around, the games. Quality is subjective, but general appeal is not and appeal comes from sales.

What I'd like you to do is this. Do this exact same scenario with the Wii. Take games out of the equation (since it's all subjective) and just judge "value". You'll see even more value on the PS3's end, and yet none of that will propel it past the Wii outside of a possible initial spike over the next few weeks. Sometimes you have to understand that what people see appealing in a console cannot always be presented in a feature comparison chart. If you make all your purchases off of value charts then congrats. Most people don't.

The Wii offers a unique interface which partially justifies its price.  The PS3 and 360 have the same standard controller interface.

So what you're saying is, something that cannot be directly compared as objective value is somehow affecting the sales of a particular console over another. Jeez, I kinda think that was the point I was making. The 360 and the PS3 are not the same console. They do not do 100% of the same things. They have subjective criteria that go into why people purchase each, the same as the Wii. This is why you can't feature compare them and then come up with an answer. These are not DVD players. These are not computers. These are individual consoles that play different games and offer different features. If somebody wants to play Halo 3 with their friends, the value comparison to have that on a PS3 is a few billion dollars so Sony can buy it off of Microsoft. We each had our individual reasons to buy our consoles, but I'll be damned if mine was based on some side-by-side features chart.

Mine was purely based on features.  I gladly paid $500 for my launch 20 gig PS3.  I wanted hi-def games and hi-def movies.  There was/is only one place to get both, the PS3.  Buying a 360 for $300-$400 at the time plus a $1000 Blu-ray player just sounded stupid.

Not true. You were able to see hi def movies on the 360 with HD-DVD then and with Netflix now



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Paperdiego on 21 August 2009
dougsdad0629 said:

Microsoft should be extremely worried that their system is the same price now as the PS3.  Now that the price is a non-factor (who actually buys the 360 arcade unit?) for each company's fully featured console, the 360 looks absolutely primitive by comparison.  The PS3 plays Blu-ray...the 360 DVD.  PS3 has built in Wi-Fi...the 360 not.  The PS3 has free online...the 360 makes you pay.  The PS3 has a slot loading disc drive...the 360 an antiquated tray.  The PS3 is reliable...the 360 not so much.  I'm sure other people can think of more examples.  The point is that MS should not be looking to match the PS3's price.  They should be looking to beat it considering what each console offers.  The Elite 360 should sell at $249 or even $199.

Notice I'm not talking about the games here.  "Good" or "bad" games are a purely subjective matter.

and yet the 360 will continute to outsell the ps3...

 

 

by your standards the wii sould be free... but we all no how thats doing...

havent we all learned that this generation isnt about the "next best thing"

 

its about the fun factor...

i am surprised people still even bring this stuff up any more..

 

i guess some of us never learn

 



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dougsdad0629 on 21 August 2009
Paperdiego said:
dougsdad0629 said:

Microsoft should be extremely worried that their system is the same price now as the PS3.  Now that the price is a non-factor (who actually buys the 360 arcade unit?) for each company's fully featured console, the 360 looks absolutely primitive by comparison.  The PS3 plays Blu-ray...the 360 DVD.  PS3 has built in Wi-Fi...the 360 not.  The PS3 has free online...the 360 makes you pay.  The PS3 has a slot loading disc drive...the 360 an antiquated tray.  The PS3 is reliable...the 360 not so much.  I'm sure other people can think of more examples.  The point is that MS should not be looking to match the PS3's price.  They should be looking to beat it considering what each console offers.  The Elite 360 should sell at $249 or even $199.

Notice I'm not talking about the games here.  "Good" or "bad" games are a purely subjective matter.

and yet the 360 will continute to outsell the ps3...

 

 

by your standards the wii sould be free... but we all no how thats doing...

havent we all learned that this generation isnt about the "next best thing"

 

its about the fun factor...

i am surprised people still even bring this stuff up any more..

 

i guess some of us never learn

 

I prefer my fun factor in a steady stream.  Not broken up by intermittent trips back to the manufacturer to repair quality issues that should have been ironed out prior to release.



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yo_john117 on 21 August 2009

How about you just don't worry about it ok?  Go back to playing your PS3.



Zero_Kaister on 21 August 2009

Come on, this is purely biased... Both the Xbox 360 and PS3 mostly play the same kind of games..so how can you call the 360 "Primitive" if the PS3 plays the same kind of games?

And no, i own a PS3 and a Wii (And i play them both alot) but this is ridiculous...



pearljammer on 21 August 2009
Onyxmeth said:
dougsdad0629 said:

Microsoft should be extremely worried that their system is the same price now as the PS3.  Now that the price is a non-factor (who actually buys the 360 arcade unit?) for each company's fully featured console, the 360 looks absolutely primitive by comparison.  The PS3 plays Blu-ray...the 360 DVD.  PS3 has built in Wi-Fi...the 360 not.  The PS3 has free online...the 360 makes you pay.  The PS3 has a slot loading disc drive...the 360 an antiquated tray.  The PS3 is reliable...the 360 not so much.  I'm sure other people can think of more examples.  The point is that MS should not be looking to match the PS3's price.  They should be looking to beat it considering what each console offers.  The Elite 360 should sell at $249 or even $199.

Notice I'm not talking about the games here.  "Good" or "bad" games are a purely subjective matter.

If I combine a microwave oven and a 360 into one package and keep the price at $300, the 360 will essentially be saving you $30-50 on a microwave. That's value. Unfortunately, not everyone gives a shit about having a microwave and a game console all in one, and that's what you don't seem to comprehend. Value only has value so long as it adds a feature the prospective buyer cares about. What you don't seem to understand is that the value of the 360 is in that final sentence you can't seem to wrap your head around, the games. Quality is subjective, but general appeal is not and appeal comes from sales.

What I'd like you to do is this. Do this exact same scenario with the Wii. Take games out of the equation (since it's all subjective) and just judge "value". You'll see even more value on the PS3's end, and yet none of that will propel it past the Wii outside of a possible initial spike over the next few weeks. Sometimes you have to understand that what people see appealing in a console cannot always be presented in a feature comparison chart. If you make all your purchases off of value charts then congrats. Most people don't.

Well said, I whole heartedly agree.

The microwave anaolgy seems to be a bit off though. A microwave, unlike a blu-ray player, has nothing to do with entertainment/living rooms.

... Anyway, like Euphoria, I too bought my 360 almost solely off of its JRPGs. I would think that many, if not most, people purchase a gaming console based on games foremost. I'm sure many purchases are based on what their peers own as well. Sure, I know a few who would no doubt buy a system solely based on features, but I'm of the mind that they're quite few in numbers.



Seraphic_Sixaxis on 21 August 2009
yo_john117 said:

How about you just don't worry about it ok?  Go back to playing your PS3.

I like you.

But when it comes to certain users on VGChartz or more or less anywhere they think the 360 and PS3 are like fire and water.