Don't lie to your self, its true selnor doesn't do it alone, but he starts it and thats all it takes.

It takes 2 to fight, but it takes an army to go to war.

Let's all hold hands and appoint me the ruler.

Why don't people argue about which game has more cars & tracks or better multiplayer? Because the other one is clearly winning in those so people try to find something else to argue about example the graphics. It's just how product loyalty works, talk about the possible strong points and say nothing about the weak points and belittle the competition with even the most minor of issues.

Both have mindblowing graphics but in games like these (driving sims) I consider the one with more content to be better.

I agree, why do people compare them, GT5 is clearly superior.

The same reason my work buddies argue that online comp on 360 is immensely better than on the PS3 even though it is immeasurable.

I see what you did there =)

Sneaky sneaky

Come on man don't add fuel to the fire. :/

But as far as your sig goes, talk about ownage. xD

Er please shed some light?

No, because I'm playing Prince of Persia (kinda mediocre =/ I was a bit confused at first when I didn't need to hold the jump button, or if I didn't need to double tap it to climb up a ledge) and I'm still bringing light to the city.

I will probably look at getting a PS3 when GT5 finally rolls around because i have no experience with Forza.

Having said that, i don't like the attitude by GT fanboys that there is simply no possibility that Forza 3 could be as good or better than GT5 in any category. Just because GT5 has more tracks and cars and just because it has a stronger heritage doesn't mean it always be the better game.

We as gamers should be pleased that there are games out there (like Forza) that force our favourite franchises to continue to develop and improve.