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Dodece on 18 August 2009

All I will say is the greater the pride the greater the fall.



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Seraphic_Sixaxis on 18 August 2009
Dodece said:
All I will say is the greater the pride the greater the fall.

So then, that refers to who... MS, Sony and Ninty?

 

I think so from there past bragging.



dsister44 on 18 August 2009

Yeah, Sonys's announcements were a million times better than Microsoft's announcements today... Hey wait a second



Seraphic_Sixaxis on 18 August 2009
dsister44 said:
Yeah, Sonys's announcements were a million times better than Microsoft's announcements today... Hey wait a second

Credit where credit is due.



atma998 on 18 August 2009
sc94597 said:
MidnightRider85 said:
atma998 said:
sc94597 said:
MidnightRider85 said:
atma998 said:
Sony supporters are so desperate that they think a 100$ price cut will change something in this gen's outcome. How will they react if in the next 48 hours Microsoft announce a price cut too?

Plus PSP is totally at the bottom of the mountain when we take a look at the DS marketshare (68.1%) and the new model won't change anything. All the major third party games will stay on the DS.

lol


     Actually, what we mainly see on DS like Wii is a lot of shovelware.  The big third party games on DS don't tend to sell all that well eg. Grand Theft Auto:  Chinatown Wars has come nowhere near selling what the PSP GTA games have sold.  And 50 million PSP's sold is too large of a number for developers to ignore.  That's why we see new games like FF Dissidia and Metal Gear Solid Peacewalker come to PSP while Square generally just continues to remake their back catalogue on DS.

          I'm don't agree with what he says, but I don't agree with with you either. Square-Enix(remember square is dead it is only square enix now) has put it's second largest main series on the DS. This game is called DQIX. Now this game isn't only a mainseries title, it is also on track to outselling every game on the PSP platform. The best the PSP has to get near the size of DQIX is Final Fantasy XIII Agito, and even then it is nowhere near as big as a main series dragon quest. So how about we get that out of the way.

 

Now let's talk about the remakes. If the PSP was as profitable as the DS was at the start, I have no doubt that they would have continued remaking games for it. They started out with the first two Final Fantasies(which btw are more of enhanced ports than remakes.) Then the third and forth ones they put on DS. Let me also note, that the DS has more non-remake square enix games than the PSP. I could make a list, but unless you ask me, I won't waste my time.

I just wanted to clarify some things. Also don't get me wrong, the PSP is my second favorite platform this generation, but when it comes to DS(my favorite platform ever) it has to take priority, and I have to defend it when fallacious statements are going against it.


Sorry, but I have no interest in games like FF:Dissidia (a fighting game with FF characters!) or Metal Gear Solid Peacewalker and I'm sure those two titles won't even sell half (and I'm generous) of what DQIX will sell. I really enjoyed FFIII, FFIV, DQIV and DQV even if those games are remakes, btw FFIII and DQV were never released in Occident, so I can't count them as old games because I played it for the first time on my DS.

p.s. PS2 was the King of shovelware, does that make this console a bad one?


The PS2 might have had some shovelware, but it also had over 500 green games at Metacritic (second highest losing out only to pcs which have a game library stretching back much further in time) Wii and DS are nowhere near having 500 games in the green.

Out of the 700 ds games on metacritic,  about 150 of them are in green. Out of 1600 PS2 games, the PS2 had around 550.  Now lets assume you are right about Metacritic determining quality, and that handhelds have the same criticism as consoles. When you compare the amount of games the DS has in green to it's userbas, and the PS2 with it's userbase, they aren't very different. Oh and how about we put the PSP in the mix. The PSP has 130 green games out of 450. So even that is similar to both of them. So I don't see your point as valid.

QFT!



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dsister44 on 18 August 2009
Seraphic_Sixaxis said:
dsister44 said:
Yeah, Sonys's announcements were a million times better than Microsoft's announcements today... Hey wait a second

Credit where credit is due.

Yeah, they were really good announcements. I am just saying it is easy to win when the competition does nothing.



MidnightRider85 on 18 August 2009
atma998 said:
sc94597 said:
MidnightRider85 said:
atma998 said:
sc94597 said:
MidnightRider85 said:
atma998 said:
Sony supporters are so desperate that they think a 100$ price cut will change something in this gen's outcome. How will they react if in the next 48 hours Microsoft announce a price cut too?

Plus PSP is totally at the bottom of the mountain when we take a look at the DS marketshare (68.1%) and the new model won't change anything. All the major third party games will stay on the DS.

lol


     Actually, what we mainly see on DS like Wii is a lot of shovelware.  The big third party games on DS don't tend to sell all that well eg. Grand Theft Auto:  Chinatown Wars has come nowhere near selling what the PSP GTA games have sold.  And 50 million PSP's sold is too large of a number for developers to ignore.  That's why we see new games like FF Dissidia and Metal Gear Solid Peacewalker come to PSP while Square generally just continues to remake their back catalogue on DS.

          I'm don't agree with what he says, but I don't agree with with you either. Square-Enix(remember square is dead it is only square enix now) has put it's second largest main series on the DS. This game is called DQIX. Now this game isn't only a mainseries title, it is also on track to outselling every game on the PSP platform. The best the PSP has to get near the size of DQIX is Final Fantasy XIII Agito, and even then it is nowhere near as big as a main series dragon quest. So how about we get that out of the way.

 

Now let's talk about the remakes. If the PSP was as profitable as the DS was at the start, I have no doubt that they would have continued remaking games for it. They started out with the first two Final Fantasies(which btw are more of enhanced ports than remakes.) Then the third and forth ones they put on DS. Let me also note, that the DS has more non-remake square enix games than the PSP. I could make a list, but unless you ask me, I won't waste my time.

I just wanted to clarify some things. Also don't get me wrong, the PSP is my second favorite platform this generation, but when it comes to DS(my favorite platform ever) it has to take priority, and I have to defend it when fallacious statements are going against it.


Sorry, but I have no interest in games like FF:Dissidia (a fighting game with FF characters!) or Metal Gear Solid Peacewalker and I'm sure those two titles won't even sell half (and I'm generous) of what DQIX will sell. I really enjoyed FFIII, FFIV, DQIV and DQV even if those games are remakes, btw FFIII and DQV were never released in Occident, so I can't count them as old games because I played it for the first time on my DS.

p.s. PS2 was the King of shovelware, does that make this console a bad one?


The PS2 might have had some shovelware, but it also had over 500 green games at Metacritic (second highest losing out only to pcs which have a game library stretching back much further in time) Wii and DS are nowhere near having 500 games in the green.

Out of the 700 ds games on metacritic,  about 150 of them are in green. Out of 1600 PS2 games, the PS2 had around 550.  Now lets assume you are right about Metacritic determining quality, and that handhelds have the same criticism as consoles. When you compare the amount of games the DS has in green to it's userbas, and the PS2 with it's userbase, they aren't very different. Oh and how about we put the PSP in the mix. The PSP has 130 green games out of 450. So even that is similar to both of them. So I don't see your point as valid.

QFT!


     Well, it all comes down to if you would rather own a system with 500 good to great games or one with only 150.



non-gravity on 18 August 2009

The consumer will decide the outcome of your so-called battle.



atma998 on 18 August 2009
MidnightRider85 said:
atma998 said:
sc94597 said:
MidnightRider85 said:
atma998 said:
sc94597 said:
MidnightRider85 said:
atma998 said:
Sony supporters are so desperate that they think a 100$ price cut will change something in this gen's outcome. How will they react if in the next 48 hours Microsoft announce a price cut too?

Plus PSP is totally at the bottom of the mountain when we take a look at the DS marketshare (68.1%) and the new model won't change anything. All the major third party games will stay on the DS.

lol


     Actually, what we mainly see on DS like Wii is a lot of shovelware.  The big third party games on DS don't tend to sell all that well eg. Grand Theft Auto:  Chinatown Wars has come nowhere near selling what the PSP GTA games have sold.  And 50 million PSP's sold is too large of a number for developers to ignore.  That's why we see new games like FF Dissidia and Metal Gear Solid Peacewalker come to PSP while Square generally just continues to remake their back catalogue on DS.

          I'm don't agree with what he says, but I don't agree with with you either. Square-Enix(remember square is dead it is only square enix now) has put it's second largest main series on the DS. This game is called DQIX. Now this game isn't only a mainseries title, it is also on track to outselling every game on the PSP platform. The best the PSP has to get near the size of DQIX is Final Fantasy XIII Agito, and even then it is nowhere near as big as a main series dragon quest. So how about we get that out of the way.

 

Now let's talk about the remakes. If the PSP was as profitable as the DS was at the start, I have no doubt that they would have continued remaking games for it. They started out with the first two Final Fantasies(which btw are more of enhanced ports than remakes.) Then the third and forth ones they put on DS. Let me also note, that the DS has more non-remake square enix games than the PSP. I could make a list, but unless you ask me, I won't waste my time.

I just wanted to clarify some things. Also don't get me wrong, the PSP is my second favorite platform this generation, but when it comes to DS(my favorite platform ever) it has to take priority, and I have to defend it when fallacious statements are going against it.


Sorry, but I have no interest in games like FF:Dissidia (a fighting game with FF characters!) or Metal Gear Solid Peacewalker and I'm sure those two titles won't even sell half (and I'm generous) of what DQIX will sell. I really enjoyed FFIII, FFIV, DQIV and DQV even if those games are remakes, btw FFIII and DQV were never released in Occident, so I can't count them as old games because I played it for the first time on my DS.

p.s. PS2 was the King of shovelware, does that make this console a bad one?


The PS2 might have had some shovelware, but it also had over 500 green games at Metacritic (second highest losing out only to pcs which have a game library stretching back much further in time) Wii and DS are nowhere near having 500 games in the green.

Out of the 700 ds games on metacritic,  about 150 of them are in green. Out of 1600 PS2 games, the PS2 had around 550.  Now lets assume you are right about Metacritic determining quality, and that handhelds have the same criticism as consoles. When you compare the amount of games the DS has in green to it's userbas, and the PS2 with it's userbase, they aren't very different. Oh and how about we put the PSP in the mix. The PSP has 130 green games out of 450. So even that is similar to both of them. So I don't see your point as valid.

QFT!


     Well, it all comes down to if you would rather own a system with 500 good to great games or one with only 150.


The Wii is out since a little more than 2.5 years. How many ''good to great games'' were on the PS2 two years and a half after its release?

Anyway I won't let a website like metacritic decides for me if a game is great or no. Was it this same website who put GTAIV as the best game ever a couple of month ago?



NightDragon83 on 18 August 2009

I think OP popped the champagne cork just a little early on this one... all this really amounts to is a glorified price cut that M$ is quickly going to counter by dropping the price of the Elite and possibly adding an HDD to the Arcade model as well for a buck ninety nine.

You should've at least held off a bit until we see some sales data from Sony's new baby next month, and there's still no guarantee that the release of the Slim will actually help make a difference in the long run for Sony's sales.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.