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Words Of Wisdom on 18 August 2009
CatFangs806 said:
It proved more effective back in the day when God was more accepted by society. Since then, he's been taken out of the schools, most of the justice system, and rejected by society. I guess to most people now, the Bible is just another book. I'm not picking on anybody, but that's how it seems to me.

To add on to that, there is no reason to change it. 

It would cost a lot of time, a lot of money, make a lot of people unhappy, and have no foreseeable tangible benefit.



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D_Boy on 18 August 2009
Dgc1808 said:
CatFangs806 said:
It proved more effective back in the day when God was more accepted by society. Since then, he's been taken out of the schools, most of the justice system, and rejected by society. I guess to most people now, the Bible is just another book. I'm not picking on anybody, but that's how it seems to me.

Pretty much this.

First things first...The Bible is just a book...it has Paper and Ink...just like any other book. Second thing...the Bible should be classified as a Self-Help book....third thing...Devil > God.



highwaystar101 on 18 August 2009
The_vagabond7 said:
nightsurge said:
CatFangs806 said:
It proved more effective back in the day when God was more accepted by society. Since then, he's been taken out of the schools, most of the justice system, and rejected by society. I guess to most people now, the Bible is just another book. I'm not picking on anybody, but that's how it seems to me.

Sad, but true

It's true but not sad. God shouldn't be in schools, or in our justice system, or anywhere in our government. Because if he is then there is the argument of who's god do you put into the school system? Which god is the supreme court looking too? What if it's not your god? Would you want him in the schools, in the courts, in the government then? The fact of the matter is there are tens of millions of people who are not christians in america, so why should christ be in a government run school?

Christians want religious freedom, but many (not all) of them only mean "religious freedom for christians" when they say that. The instant the government espouses a certain religion, then that religious freedom is being taken from all those who worship differently. A secular government is the only way to have true religious freedom. So no, it's not sad that god has been taken out of the schools, and the justice system, it's in everyone's best interest that it is. And go look at some statistics, society in the US has not rejected god. Nearly half of the US thinks the earth is less than 10,000 years old, and even more than that think god created all life on earth pretty much as you see it now. The secularizing of government systems is in no way indicative of the US's view of god and the bible.

This reminds me of this picture...



The_vagabond7 on 18 August 2009
highwaystar101 said:
The_vagabond7 said:
nightsurge said:
CatFangs806 said:
It proved more effective back in the day when God was more accepted by society. Since then, he's been taken out of the schools, most of the justice system, and rejected by society. I guess to most people now, the Bible is just another book. I'm not picking on anybody, but that's how it seems to me.

Sad, but true

It's true but not sad. God shouldn't be in schools, or in our justice system, or anywhere in our government. Because if he is then there is the argument of who's god do you put into the school system? Which god is the supreme court looking too? What if it's not your god? Would you want him in the schools, in the courts, in the government then? The fact of the matter is there are tens of millions of people who are not christians in america, so why should christ be in a government run school?

Christians want religious freedom, but many (not all) of them only mean "religious freedom for christians" when they say that. The instant the government espouses a certain religion, then that religious freedom is being taken from all those who worship differently. A secular government is the only way to have true religious freedom. So no, it's not sad that god has been taken out of the schools, and the justice system, it's in everyone's best interest that it is. And go look at some statistics, society in the US has not rejected god. Nearly half of the US thinks the earth is less than 10,000 years old, and even more than that think god created all life on earth pretty much as you see it now. The secularizing of government systems is in no way indicative of the US's view of god and the bible.

This reminds me of this picture...

lol, I'm going to have to keep that. That's come up in a few conversations I've had as of late.



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JEDE3 on 18 August 2009

That's funny guys... I distinctly remmeber learning about Muslim and Hindu in my 7th grade history class.... And I sat wondering... "Why can they teach about this shit and evolution... but not creationalism?"



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The_vagabond7 on 18 August 2009
JEDE3 said:
That's funny guys... I distinctly remmeber learning about Muslim and Hindu in my 7th grade history class.... And I sat wondering... "Why can they teach about this shit and evolution... but not creationalism?"

The question is, did they teach you that Islam was true? Did they teach you that you should obey the vedas, and explain what each hindu god is contributing to the world? Then why should they teach creationism?



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JEDE3 on 18 August 2009

Oh... and BTW, You don't swear on the bible in the US anymore. Just raize your right hand.



JEDE3 on 18 August 2009
The_vagabond7 said:
JEDE3 said:
That's funny guys... I distinctly remmeber learning about Muslim and Hindu in my 7th grade history class.... And I sat wondering... "Why can they teach about this shit and evolution... but not creationalism?"

The question is, did they teach you that Islam was true? Did they teach you that you should obey the vedas, and explain what each hindu god is contributing to the world? Then why should they teach creationism?


They taught what they believed...



nightsurge on 18 August 2009
The_vagabond7 said:
highwaystar101 said:
The_vagabond7 said:
nightsurge said:
CatFangs806 said:
It proved more effective back in the day when God was more accepted by society. Since then, he's been taken out of the schools, most of the justice system, and rejected by society. I guess to most people now, the Bible is just another book. I'm not picking on anybody, but that's how it seems to me.

Sad, but true

It's true but not sad. God shouldn't be in schools, or in our justice system, or anywhere in our government. Because if he is then there is the argument of who's god do you put into the school system? Which god is the supreme court looking too? What if it's not your god? Would you want him in the schools, in the courts, in the government then? The fact of the matter is there are tens of millions of people who are not christians in america, so why should christ be in a government run school?

Christians want religious freedom, but many (not all) of them only mean "religious freedom for christians" when they say that. The instant the government espouses a certain religion, then that religious freedom is being taken from all those who worship differently. A secular government is the only way to have true religious freedom. So no, it's not sad that god has been taken out of the schools, and the justice system, it's in everyone's best interest that it is. And go look at some statistics, society in the US has not rejected god. Nearly half of the US thinks the earth is less than 10,000 years old, and even more than that think god created all life on earth pretty much as you see it now. The secularizing of government systems is in no way indicative of the US's view of god and the bible.

This reminds me of this picture...

lol, I'm going to have to keep that. That's come up in a few conversations I've had as of late.

Except Hindu and Muslim faiths are much larger.  In fact I don't think Christianity is even the largest religion anymore... Especially since Roman Catholics are kind of like Jews.  They believe similar aspects as "Christianity" but then have their own made up or excluded practices.

I agree we as a country have changed and our government has as well, mostly for the worse.  I realize we are a country based on freedom and as such you should have all the freedom in the world to practice whatever religion you so choose.  That does not change the fact that this nation was founded "Under God"...



CatFangs806 on 18 August 2009
nightsurge said:
The_vagabond7 said:
highwaystar101 said:
The_vagabond7 said:
nightsurge said:
CatFangs806 said:
It proved more effective back in the day when God was more accepted by society. Since then, he's been taken out of the schools, most of the justice system, and rejected by society. I guess to most people now, the Bible is just another book. I'm not picking on anybody, but that's how it seems to me.

Sad, but true

It's true but not sad. God shouldn't be in schools, or in our justice system, or anywhere in our government. Because if he is then there is the argument of who's god do you put into the school system? Which god is the supreme court looking too? What if it's not your god? Would you want him in the schools, in the courts, in the government then? The fact of the matter is there are tens of millions of people who are not christians in america, so why should christ be in a government run school?

Christians want religious freedom, but many (not all) of them only mean "religious freedom for christians" when they say that. The instant the government espouses a certain religion, then that religious freedom is being taken from all those who worship differently. A secular government is the only way to have true religious freedom. So no, it's not sad that god has been taken out of the schools, and the justice system, it's in everyone's best interest that it is. And go look at some statistics, society in the US has not rejected god. Nearly half of the US thinks the earth is less than 10,000 years old, and even more than that think god created all life on earth pretty much as you see it now. The secularizing of government systems is in no way indicative of the US's view of god and the bible.

This reminds me of this picture...

lol, I'm going to have to keep that. That's come up in a few conversations I've had as of late.

Except Hindu and Muslim faiths are much larger.  In fact I don't think Christianity is even the largest religion anymore...

I agree we as a country have changed and our government has as well, mostly for the worse.  I realize we are a country based on freedom and as such you should have all the freedom in the world to practice whatever religion you so choose.  That does not change the fact that this nation was founded "Under God"...

True.