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megaman79 on 18 August 2009

You notice that the Heartland Institute is good mates with Juan De Mariana? http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Francisco_Capella

Again id like to ask, how about a peer reviewed independent source? How about a university source like you mentioned you had earlier?



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

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TheRealMafoo on 18 August 2009
megaman79 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
megaman79 said:
HappySqurriel said:
megaman79 said:
No one is listening to you. The rest of the world are going to try and prevent this, regardless of whether america wants in on the next economic boom or not.

If by economic boom you mean gigantic waste of resources ...

A couple of months ago a Spanish University did a cost benefit analysis of green jobs that were promoted by the Spanish government and it turned out that for every green job created the Spanish economy lost 2.2 regular jobs, and to create that job the Spanish government spent $774,000; and to make matters worse, only 10% of these positions were permanent.

For the past 30 years (since the oil crisis in the 1970s) there has been massive investment in alternative energy technology by both public and private institutions and the technologies are creeping along at (about) as fast of a rate as they can. Now, most green alternative energy technologies only become cost competitive with coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear and so on when energy prices are far higher than they currently are. The economic costs associated with a rapid shift towards green technologies can be seen by wondering what would happen to businesses within a country if a country was forced to pay double or triple the cost for energy.

 

The costs associated with "Going Green" right now are so high that there is no way for an economy to grow in any way (besides unemployment) by forcing the adoption of green energy.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=2496352

I just gave a source from economists who are experts in renewable energy investment portfolios, they claim the exact opposite. So where is your source to prove your claims? Come to think of where is Sqrl when we need him to give credence to a fact based argument.

Before you go off on someone, you might want to spend 30 seconds on google.

http://www.juandemariana.org/pdf/090327-employment-public-aid-renewable.pdf

Its interesting. Its not a university though, wrong on that count.

 

And here lies the problem. That paper is filled with an incredible amount of information that you didn't know. What you will do with that information, is just dismiss it, because it doesn't say what you want it to say.

 

This is why I call this a religion. You have a belief, and no amount of facts will change your mind. You will only find them "interesting", and then make some comment on something you think the other guy is wrong about.

 

I am sure at no point in this 11 page thread, have you opened your mind to the possibility of learning anything. You are just here to push your close minded views.

 

This is why I said your like arguing with a child in another thread. This is the kind of things 12 year olds do. That's ok, if your 12-16, it's how your supposed to act.

 

It's also why I asked your age in the other post, and you chose to ignore the request. I wonder why?



megaman79 on 18 August 2009

It works both ways. None of you have acknowledged awareness of anything i have posted. You have all firstly accused me of not being educated enough, then not interested in reading your "sources" (which btw have not been peer reviewed by a university, still f---ing waiting) and now your naturally assuming that i am young and naive.

Guess the whole world is a bunch of idiots then. I guess the conservative cause were alot smarter about their decision to elect Bush.



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

megaman79 on 18 August 2009

Oh and this thing about ganging up on people with different views than yours makes me vomit. There is a reason why conservative opinion generally stays in Off Topic, its your turf.

Congratulations you win.



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

HappySqurriel on 18 August 2009
megaman79 said:
It works both ways. None of you have acknowledged awareness of anything i have posted. You have all firstly accused me of not being educated enough, then not interested in reading your "sources" (which btw have not been peer reviewed by a university, still f---ing waiting) and now your naturally assuming that i am young and naive.

Guess the whole world is a bunch of idiots then. I guess the conservative cause were alot smarter about their decision to elect Bush.

Your dependence on something being peer reviewed at a university is an Appeal to Authority and the rest of your argument is a Straw Man argument ...



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TheRealMafoo on 18 August 2009
megaman79 said:
It works both ways. None of you have acknowledged awareness of anything i have posted. You have all firstly accused me of not being educated enough, then not interested in reading your "sources" (which btw have not been peer reviewed by a university, still f---ing waiting) and now your naturally assuming that i am young and naive.

Guess the whole world is a bunch of idiots then. I guess the conservative cause were alot smarter about their decision to elect Bush.

I don't know what the conservative cause is, you would have to ask one of them.

I only care about the science and the facts, and so far, none of it on your side really adds up.



megaman79 on 18 August 2009

You people are in denial and your being fed research from think tanks with conservative business connections. That's biased, thats bullshit, your wrong.



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

HappySqurriel on 18 August 2009
megaman79 said:
You people are in denial and your being fed research from think tanks with conservative business connections. That's biased, thats bullshit, your wrong.

You people are in denial and your being fed research from unionized professors with socialist environmental organization connections. That's biased, that’s bullshit, you're wrong.



TheRealMafoo on 18 August 2009
megaman79 said:
You people are in denial and your being fed research from think tanks with conservative business connections. That's biased, thats bullshit, your wrong.

Or... oh.. I don't know... we look at ALL the facts and form an opinion. Try it sometime, as apposed to just hating a group, and believing what other people who hate that group believe.



megaman79 on 18 August 2009

If you look at all the facts and form your own opinion why are all the points you make in support of issues that are identical to the talking points of republicans and the conservative side of politics?

Apparently you can't form your own opinion on these issues either.





“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.