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Good for MS i can't wait for this holiday season.



 

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greenmedic88 said:
Squilliam said:

Um, in reality they are losing the high end SKU and not the mid range SKU. Its a convenience issue, and nothing more. Its simply easier for them to drop the Premium and reconfigure than it is to drop the Elite as they are always going to be trending towards larger HDDs anyway. There are rumours of even larger HDDs being offered for people who need more than 120GB.

What they do depends on their goals. I see no room for concern here, they will do whatever action they deem to suit their interests best. They don't have any reason to worry about Sony running away with anything because their 8M console lead gives them room to sit for a year and focus on profitability if they so wish. Sony has far more reason to worry about what Microsoft does than vice versa as the latter really does have the resources to cut the price significantly and the profitability to match, especially considering Microsofts strong Live revenue.

 

MS isn't reconfiguring anything but their pricing. That is a direct response to a perceived consumer reaction of a direct competitor releasing a new model at a lower price. It's in their best interests to do this rather than do nothing at all, which is precisely what they would do if they weren't concerned.

If they drop the "Elite" from the SKU you can make a paper argument that the top end SKU is gone, but the reality is the HDMI cable would be the only thing missing.

If you want to throw out predictions of MS sticking with a three tier console structure and a 250GB, 320GB Elite or higher you would have a leg to stand on, but until that happens, the reality is: mid-range SKU is gone, high-end SKU is down $100.

 

The Premium was always their primary SKU, with an increase in HDD size the Elite SKU became increasing irrelevant and it simply wasn't selling so they discontinued it. The Elite has always been a premium SKU it was never the mainline SKU. Just because its called the Elite doesn't mean that it isn't fulfilling the role of the previous 60GB Premium. They are taking the special HDMI cable out, so what comes in the box is essentially the same as the Arcade but with a larger HDD. It has even less than the Premium did as the Premium contained a Component HD cable in the box.



Tease.

The thing you have to remember is this, Microsoft has been getting ready to counter the PS3 price cuts and/or slim ever since the 360 was reduced last year,

I'm more than confident MS have more than enough plans to ensure the 360 stays on top of the ps3 this year and next year and the year after etc,



Reasonable said:

Guess this had been said, but:

1) no sensible PR is going to say 'we're really worried at potential impact of a competitor price cut'

2) of course they're concerned, it's normal business to be so, and they will have a price cut ready themselves I'm sure

3) on the other hand they've done well enough already, particularly in US, to feel they've improved a lot since last gen so I understand the tone of the comment

4) on the other, other hand, they're not really outselling PS3 by that much given the price difference, and a fair amount of their lead is simply their 1 year head start, so of course they're going to respond and should be concerned.

It's always good to hear your reasonable thoughts when these threads get way out of hand



Reasonable said:

Guess this had been said, but:

1) no sensible PR is going to say 'we're really worried at potential impact of a competitor price cut'

2) of course they're concerned, it's normal business to be so, and they will have a price cut ready themselves I'm sure

3) on the other hand they've done well enough already, particularly in US, to feel they've improved a lot since last gen so I understand the tone of the comment

4) on the other, other hand, they're not really outselling PS3 by that much given the price difference, and a fair amount of their lead is simply their 1 year head start, so of course they're going to respond and should be concerned.

Very reasonable. This will hurt many.    

 



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Reasonable said:

Guess this had been said, but:

1) no sensible PR is going to say 'we're really worried at potential impact of a competitor price cut'

2) of course they're concerned, it's normal business to be so, and they will have a price cut ready themselves I'm sure

3) on the other hand they've done well enough already, particularly in US, to feel they've improved a lot since last gen so I understand the tone of the comment

4) on the other, other hand, they're not really outselling PS3 by that much given the price difference, and a fair amount of their lead is simply their 1 year head start, so of course they're going to respond and should be concerned.

1. Agree

2. Concerned? I don't think its the appropriate word. If anything they are watchful. Concern is what you get when your competition does something unexpected, or something expected turns out unexpectedly good. Concern is something you feel when Nintendo launches a Wii. I don't see how they would be concerned about something which they expected a mile off, about a price cut whose size was telegraphed months ago. Sony simply isn't in a position to really cause concern at this point.

3. Agree

4. They're actually performing about equally between the Premium level SKU and the PS3 80GB. $300 vs $400 in America is pretty fair considering the latter comes with free online and a Blu Ray player, so the value argument is swings and roundabouts depending on the person.



Tease.

I don't care who wins as long i enjoy my consoles why should i care?



 

 

FKNetwork said:
yo_john117 said:
mario64 said:
If MS wasn't worried, they wouldn't need to say they're not worried.

I can understand why they're afraid though. A combination of PS3 price cut, PS3 slim and GT5 2009 release would instantly kill any momentum the 360 had, pushing back the 360 to the place where it belongs, the last place I mean.

Cutting the 360 price again won't change anything this time since the 360 is already very affordable. Anybody who wanted a 360 already has one... MS should keep the money to make good exclusives, that's what the 360 owners desperately need this year.

Look everybody!!! Tim_Duncan is back!!!

I really don't know why anyone even replies to him, all his comments are the same, he loves ps3 and hates 360, theres only so many times he can repeat it before it gets rather boring and everything he says makes him look even more silly than before lol


he sounds just like somebody else



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NKAJ said:
FKNetwork said:

I really don't know why anyone even replies to him, all his comments are the same, he loves ps3 and hates 360, theres only so many times he can repeat it before it gets rather boring and everything he says makes him look even more silly than before lol


he sounds just like somebody else

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Squilliam said:
Reasonable said:

Guess this had been said, but:

1) no sensible PR is going to say 'we're really worried at potential impact of a competitor price cut'

2) of course they're concerned, it's normal business to be so, and they will have a price cut ready themselves I'm sure

3) on the other hand they've done well enough already, particularly in US, to feel they've improved a lot since last gen so I understand the tone of the comment

4) on the other, other hand, they're not really outselling PS3 by that much given the price difference, and a fair amount of their lead is simply their 1 year head start, so of course they're going to respond and should be concerned.

1. Agree

2. Concerned? I don't think its the appropriate word. If anything they are watchful. Concern is what you get when your competition does something unexpected, or something expected turns out unexpectedly good. Concern is something you feel when Nintendo launches a Wii. I don't see how they would be concerned about something which they expected a mile off, about a price cut whose size was telegraphed months ago. Sony simply isn't in a position to really cause concern at this point.

3. Agree

4. They're actually performing about equally between the Premium level SKU and the PS3 80GB. $300 vs $400 in America is pretty fair considering the latter comes with free online and a Blu Ray player, so the value argument is swings and roundabouts depending on the person.

I meant 'sensibly concerned' - i.e. normal watching of a competitor, but nothing excessive.  I think though, given their lead is actually rather narrow compared to PS1/PS2/Wii levels of sales, and the current pricing/demand picture implies a cheaper PS3 would sell a lot more, they are more than watchful.  Sounds like we see this more or less the same, although you figure they're not really conerned about possible reaction to a PS3 price drop and I figure they probably are - but not excessively so.

On 4) I think there are far more gamers looking for a gaming console vs seeing the PS3 additional value, so while from some angles PS3 seems good value I think for the majority it's seen as the same thing but more expensive - so  I still believe that if they were the same price, PS3 would see higher demand - i.e. the underlying demand for PS3 is a little higher (this is WW average though, I think 360 has done really well in US and the underlying demand is more or less equal for price vs Europe or Japan).

 



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