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Words Of Wisdom on 17 August 2009
SHMUPGurus said:

Actually, Core Wii audience buy all the good exclusives they can get for that console. It just happens that most first party titles > third party titles.

Due to most third parties putting their good games on non-Wii platforms.



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LordTheNightKnight on 17 August 2009
Simulacrum said:
griffinA said:
Simulacrum said:
Exblackman said:
Simulacrum said:
Maybe, we have soon Wii Fps,Mario of War and ZeldaZone?

Sales speak from themselves.But Conduit was BAD game.It ain't anything that Fps fans must own.
Even most of Wii users must have played Fps games on Ps2 or Pc..(I HOPE)
And if you compare Conduit to Fps games of Ps2 (Red Faction etc) it ain't so diffrent.
And if you have played Half Life or Counter Strike or even new games like Cod 4 on Pc...

But, if they start make more games like Madworld...We will see what the truth about Wii:s core gamers really is.But when?I can't name but No more heroes 2.

Red Steel 2, Silent Hill:Shattered memories,TMNT Smash Up,etc I could name more if you want.

I don't know have I missed something but why people bring up Teenaged Mutant Ninja Turtles?

Anyway, confirmed AAA titles?

First, What definition of AAA are we talking about?

 

I would consider Silent Hill, Red Steel 2, Monster Hunter 3, Muramasa, Tales of Graces, and The Crystal Bearers to be AAA third party games. Some of them might not be able to get the 90+ rating on metacritic for it however. Then again, if we go by the metacritic definition, Resident Evil 5 wasn't a AAA title.

None of those are confirmed.

And res 5 wasnt AAA title.

And most of those titles will be 99% medicore titles.I always end up saying same stuff for same games that they bring up..graah.

I'm talking about titles that you know will be good.Above 85 metacritic at least.

What?



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marktheshark275 on 17 August 2009
Simulacrum said:
marktheshark275 said:
Simulacrum said:
griffinA said:
Simulacrum said:
Exblackman said:
Simulacrum said:
Maybe, we have soon Wii Fps,Mario of War and ZeldaZone?

Sales speak from themselves.But Conduit was BAD game.It ain't anything that Fps fans must own.
Even most of Wii users must have played Fps games on Ps2 or Pc..(I HOPE)
And if you compare Conduit to Fps games of Ps2 (Red Faction etc) it ain't so diffrent.
And if you have played Half Life or Counter Strike or even new games like Cod 4 on Pc...

But, if they start make more games like Madworld...We will see what the truth about Wii:s core gamers really is.But when?I can't name but No more heroes 2.

Red Steel 2, Silent Hill:Shattered memories,TMNT Smash Up,etc I could name more if you want.

I don't know have I missed something but why people bring up Teenaged Mutant Ninja Turtles?

Anyway, confirmed AAA titles?

First, What definition of AAA are we talking about?

 

I would consider Silent Hill, Red Steel 2, Monster Hunter 3, Muramasa, Tales of Graces, and The Crystal Bearers to be AAA third party games. Some of them might not be able to get the 90+ rating on metacritic for it however. Then again, if we go by the metacritic definition, Resident Evil 5 wasn't a AAA title.

None of those are confirmed.

And res 5 wasnt AAA title.

And most of those titles will be 99% medicore titles.I always end up saying same stuff for same games that they bring up..graah.

I'm talking about titles that you know will be good.Above 85 metacritic at least.

So anything below a 85% on Metacritic is considered mediocre? Your standards are probably too high.

 

on-topic: I wouldn't be surprised if Pachter was drunk while doing any analysis.

 

 

Was not my point.

So ignore that and answer.

Well, no shit. I was just being curious.

Ok, what question do you want me to answer? It'll be nice if you can tell me what the question is as well as fill me in on the details of it.



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Simulacrum on 17 August 2009

:D
Could I ask you about confirmed AAA titles on Wii?



 

 

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Squilliam on 17 August 2009

Nintendo core is your regular Nintendo audience, its not surprising if you take the audience that bought the NES, SNES, N64, GC, Wii and the one unifying force for those consoles are the Nintendo games.



Tease.

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marktheshark275 on 17 August 2009
Simulacrum said:
:D
Could I ask you about confirmed AAA titles on Wii?


I don't think I can help you much on this. Does 1st party count?

1st-party (If it counts)- NSMB Wii, Metroid: Other M, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Zelda Wii (Isn't there a Zelda Wii being made right now?)

3rd-party- Dragon Quest X. I can't think of much else honestly.

 

Yeah, I probably failed.



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YokoBlue on 17 August 2009

I think what he said is TRUE !

Im a wii-only owner (soon ps3 but.. still) and i bought my wii only for Zelda and Wii sports... I bought a lot of games like Atlus games, fire emblem etc... but still... Im waiting for nintendo games all the time...

I will buy good games on the wii but... there is so few not from nintendo that i dont. So what he said is partialy right !



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Elifrit on 17 August 2009

nintendo games tend to be far superior (not just this gen) and the conduit (OMG A FPS SO HARCOER ZOMG!!1!!ONE!) just forgive me but I think is just a mediocre generic FPS. and we all know what console we should get if we want to play mediocre and generic FPS's

no, I was kidding, I love third parties



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SosusOCR on 17 August 2009

Patcher... the new gaming villain...

Well the evil monster that was Jack Thompson was slayen by his own stupidity and now Uwe Boll is reduced to directing straight to DVD movies that not even he will brag about the gaming community has a void. Patcher is looking to fill the "Crazy man that doesnt understand videogames" void and we are giving him that chance.

I dont understand why do we listen? Do we need a guy that we can point at and call an idiot because they dont understand video gaming in general?



Onyxmeth on 17 August 2009

I think he's right to a degree. There's always a sampling of excuses thrown around this site as to why such and such third party title failed. It's either bad reviews, or little marketing, or limited appeal. For some reason though, this hardly ever affects Nintendo published titles. They don't have to get held up to the light and explain their weaknesses, because they sell regardless. This is not something new, and I don't know why it's such an issue with Nintendo, to the point of denial. Nintendo is a trusted brand, and games can damn well sell some extra copies for having that label on the box.

Look at Super Paper Mario. It's ridiculously niche, it had little advertising, and yet the title has sold nearly 3 million copies. Why? Because there is a built in fanbase that buys Nintendo platforms primarily for Nintendo titles. How about a scuba diving simulator featuring no actual goals selling damn near a million copies? It had like no marketing, bad reviews and if anyone else made it, you'd all have called it the most niche game ever.

It's not just the Wii either. Every complaint I typically see about the Wii's third party efforts isn't reflective of the DS's third party situation. Third parties put big effort into DS titles, bring mainstream franchises to it and get outsold by similar Nintendo titles time and time again.

Now obviously both platforms aren't devoid of customers willing to spend on third party published traditionalist titles. But to deny there isn't a huge advantage for Nintendo's own published titles is just ridiculous. It's the only major console maker in history where third parties were and still are not able to compete with the first party publisher.

What I think it is starts right here on forums. It's the word of mouth we all give out. Nintendo console owners are constently laying down excuses highlighting how imperfect the newest third party title is but giving Nintendo the benefit of the doubt anytime a mistake is made on one of their own games. It's the double standard that starts right here. We have had a Smash Bros. thread going on for ages that is primarily used by people playing online together. The online is absolute shit compared to any other game in existence that is known for it's online multiplayer. If this was any third party Wii game, this would be exactly why such and such new fighting game couldn't sell on Wii, crappy online. We do it all the time here. People defend New Super Mario Bros. Wii and Wii Sports Resort for not having online, and then turn on third party titles for making the same decisions. For some reason, these same problems will never affect a Nintendo published title. Bad graphics? So what. No online? Who cares. Nintendo titles will still sell, and we will tell ourselves bad graphics and no online is why everyday third party title didn't sell very well.

The bottom line is, Pachter is wrong with his way of making this demographic all encompassing as the Wii's "core audience". It's not. However, it exists, and it's a big fucking demgraphic, and third party titles will never be given the same consideration, no matter if they do everything in the world right.



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