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Rath said:
HappySqurriel said:
 

An interesting thing to do to a "tolerant" anti-christian progressive individual is to get them to take a statement they make about (Evangelical) Christians and get them to replace "(Evangelical) Christian" with "Jew"

Right, because nobody is allowed to criticise anything to do with the Jewish. If you do you're Hitler.

 

Anyway lets have a go at this.

I think evangelical Christians are socially backwards, they promote discrimination against gays and try and legally block things like abortions. I also think evangelical Christians are completely and utterly ignorant in ignoring ridiculous amounts of scientific proof and believing the earth is something less than 10,000 years old. Thats just stupid.

I get really pissed off when evangelical Christians try and force their beliefs into the science classroom which is somewhere they do not belong.

 

goes to.

 

I think Jews are socially backwards, they promote discrimination against gays and try and legally block things like abortions. I also think Jews are completely and utterly ignorant in ignoring ridiculous amounts of scientific proof and believing the earth is something less than 10,000 years old. Thats just stupid.

I get really pissed off when Jews try and force their beliefs into the science classroom which is somewhere they do not belong.

 

Am I evil now?

Very few people are so careful to make sure that the statements they're making are based on valid criticisms. I have quite regularly heard comments like "(Evangelical) Christians are the main problem in Canada/The United States" and "The world would be a better place if we got rid of all the (Evangelical) Christians"



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You also hit a major problem when you're comparing a belief system with a race.

When people say 'The world would be better off without evangelical Christianity', they don't mean 'fire up the furnaces'. They want people to stop believing in something that they think as a belief is harmful to society.

Its really a fallacious argument to try and make people who wish that a belief that they think is out-dated and harmful to go away look like they are trying to make a holocaust happen.

 

Edit:  Lets take it to an extreme because we can, I think neo-nazis are bad for society. If I said 'I think the world would be better off without neo-Nazis' and then replaced 'neo-Nazis' with 'Jews' we hit the same problem. It makes me look like a racist. The same distinction exists in that sentence as in the previous one, neo-Nazism is a belief. Same with Christianity and atheism.

You're putting up a straw man by asking people if they would rather a belief did not exist and then replacing the belief with a race. You're comparing different things.



Rath said:
You also hit a major problem when you're comparing a belief system with a race.

When people say 'The world would be better off without evangelical Christianity', they don't mean 'fire up the furnaces'. They want people to stop believing in something that they think as a belief is harmful to society.

Its really a fallacious argument to try and make people who wish that a belief that they think is out-dated and harmful to go away look like they are trying to make a holocaust happen.

In the 1930s most people who were upset with the Jewish population in Europe were also not suggesting genocide, and a very intelligent and evil individual used them as scapegoats to promote his own agenda.

If you have a problem with a stance why wouldn't you argue against that stance rather than use stereotypes and prejudice to turn a group of people into scapegoats?



I do argue against that stance, often. If you have a problem with a stance isn't it sensible to think that the world would be better if that stance didn't exist?
Thing is once again we are only talking about a position here, not people. I truly think the world would be better if the evangelicals were all far more moderate, hence I wish evangelical Christianity no longer existed. Thats not really a hugely evil thing to want, but you're dressing it up as what people did to the Jews in the 1930's.



HappySqurriel said:
Rath said:
You also hit a major problem when you're comparing a belief system with a race.

When people say 'The world would be better off without evangelical Christianity', they don't mean 'fire up the furnaces'. They want people to stop believing in something that they think as a belief is harmful to society.

Its really a fallacious argument to try and make people who wish that a belief that they think is out-dated and harmful to go away look like they are trying to make a holocaust happen.

In the 1930s most people who were upset with the Jewish population in Europe were also not suggesting genocide, and a very intelligent and evil individual used them as scapegoats to promote his own agenda.

If you have a problem with a stance why wouldn't you argue against that stance rather than use stereotypes and prejudice to turn a group of people into scapegoats?

You do know that christians are the vast overwhelming majority compared to the non-religious right? And evengelical christians are saying the same thing about every other religion and the non-religious as well.


"Radical islam needs to be wiped out, gays need to get back in the closet, atheists are incapable of being moral....what did you just say about Evengelicals??? NOT FAIR! WHY IS EVERYONE ALWAYS PICKING ON US EVENGELICALS??!?!? IT'S JUST LIKE THE JEWS IN NAZI GERMANY, SOON WE'RE GOING TO BE PUT IN THE OVENS BY THIS...minority....wait, what? We vastly outnumber them? We have more politcal power, more money, and more influence? Well still, you can't talk like that about Jesus Followers!"

 

The entire notion that christianity needs protecting from these small minorites that have negative views about their beliefs is absurd. And arguments to try and make it seem wrong to crtisize an ideology are equally absurd.



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The_vagabond7 said:
HappySqurriel said:
Rath said:
You also hit a major problem when you're comparing a belief system with a race.

When people say 'The world would be better off without evangelical Christianity', they don't mean 'fire up the furnaces'. They want people to stop believing in something that they think as a belief is harmful to society.

Its really a fallacious argument to try and make people who wish that a belief that they think is out-dated and harmful to go away look like they are trying to make a holocaust happen.

In the 1930s most people who were upset with the Jewish population in Europe were also not suggesting genocide, and a very intelligent and evil individual used them as scapegoats to promote his own agenda.

If you have a problem with a stance why wouldn't you argue against that stance rather than use stereotypes and prejudice to turn a group of people into scapegoats?

You do know that christians are the vast overwhelming majority compared to the non-religious right? And evengelical christians are saying the same thing about every other religion and the non-religious as well.


"Radical islam needs to be wiped out, gays need to get back in the closet, atheists are incapable of being moral....what did you just say about Evengelicals??? NOT FAIR! WHY IS EVERYONE ALWAYS PICKING ON US EVENGELICALS??!?!? IT'S JUST LIKE THE JEWS IN NAZI GERMANY, SOON WE'RE GOING TO BE PUT IN THE OVENS BY THIS...minority....wait, what? We vastly outnumber them? We have more politcal power, more money, and more influence? Well still, you can't talk like that about Jesus Followers!"

 

The entire notion that christianity needs protecting from these small minorites that have negative views about their beliefs is absurd. And arguments to try and make it seem wrong to crtisize an ideology are equally absurd.

You do realize that only a small subset of Christians are evangelical, and only a small subset of evangelical Christians make statements like the ones you’re associating with them. In fact, evangelical Christianity has been one of the fastest growing segments within Christianity primarily because it adopts more quickly to the times; and several branches within evangelical Christianity were some of the first to support gay marriage as an institution within their church.

Hey, but who cares about reality when you can be a bigot



HappySqurriel said:
The_vagabond7 said:
HappySqurriel said:
Rath said:
You also hit a major problem when you're comparing a belief system with a race.

When people say 'The world would be better off without evangelical Christianity', they don't mean 'fire up the furnaces'. They want people to stop believing in something that they think as a belief is harmful to society.

Its really a fallacious argument to try and make people who wish that a belief that they think is out-dated and harmful to go away look like they are trying to make a holocaust happen.

In the 1930s most people who were upset with the Jewish population in Europe were also not suggesting genocide, and a very intelligent and evil individual used them as scapegoats to promote his own agenda.

If you have a problem with a stance why wouldn't you argue against that stance rather than use stereotypes and prejudice to turn a group of people into scapegoats?

You do know that christians are the vast overwhelming majority compared to the non-religious right? And evengelical christians are saying the same thing about every other religion and the non-religious as well.


"Radical islam needs to be wiped out, gays need to get back in the closet, atheists are incapable of being moral....what did you just say about Evengelicals??? NOT FAIR! WHY IS EVERYONE ALWAYS PICKING ON US EVENGELICALS??!?!? IT'S JUST LIKE THE JEWS IN NAZI GERMANY, SOON WE'RE GOING TO BE PUT IN THE OVENS BY THIS...minority....wait, what? We vastly outnumber them? We have more politcal power, more money, and more influence? Well still, you can't talk like that about Jesus Followers!"

 

The entire notion that christianity needs protecting from these small minorites that have negative views about their beliefs is absurd. And arguments to try and make it seem wrong to crtisize an ideology are equally absurd.

You do realize that only a small subset of Christians are evangelical, and only a small subset of evangelical Christians make statements like the ones you’re associating with them. In fact, evangelical Christianity has been one of the fastest growing segments within Christianity primarily because it adopts more quickly to the times; and several branches within evangelical Christianity were some of the first to support gay marriage as an institution within their church.

Hey, but who cares about reality when you can be a bigot

You can claim I am a bigot, but I have no problem with christianity or any religion for the matter. My wife is a devout evengelical christian. I am not a bigot towards an ideology (if that's even possible, which I don't think it is) I have a problem with the subset of ideas that will ignore reality in favor of scripture, and wants the US to be a theocracy where christianity is imposed on the populace. I am against the subset of ideas that tries to make homosexuals feel ashamed or threatened, and want religion to be taught as science. If someone wants to believe the earth is 6000 years old, I don't care. If somebody wants to make the government teach children that the earth is 6000 years old I care.

This is not a holocaust. This is a small group of people questioning the veracity of the claims of a book that a large number of people use as a guide to how to run a society and their lives. If I think believing in santa clause is stupid, I am not a bigot against children. I am not trying to throw people into a furnace, I am trying to question whether it's really in everyone's best interest to tell two men they can't get married, and question that a man in the sky specially made all life on earth. This is not personal, it may be taken as personal since some can't differentiate between their ideology and their personhood, but it is not personal. Because I am not attacking people, only ideologies.

So stop being paranoid and thinking that there are a bunch of atheist skin heads firing up the christian oven. It's a cultural shift against old ideas, not against people. Jews could not take away their heritage, christianity can stop fighting against evolution, and can let gay people get married. Black people couldn't change their facial features or skin tones, christians can decide that their book can be fallable, and cease trying to create The United Theocracy Of America.

So tell me again, who am I bigoted against?



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dtewi said:
Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:
LOL AHAHAHAHAAAH AHA LOL ROFLCOPTER OMG BBQ.

That is seriously stupid and funny.

1. kids name is twig. lol
2. Love the racist tone of the pic, big black nose and all.
3. my god my 5yr old can spell better than that 11yr old. "homeskooler" FTL!
4. Kid only has issues because parents have issues crying over death squad bs that Palin and crew spout. Maybe if Republicans didn't over due their inciting of fear this would happen.

I can't believe you actually thought that was real.

One born every minute i guess.

It is a very believable joke. Don't say someone is stupid for falling for it.

It really isn't... and I mean... for the first part...

his avatar is Stephen Colbert.  Who... you may be to young to know... is a Satirist.

He's a super liberal person who pretends to be a super conservative person on TV making fun of your average republican pundit.

That alone gives away it being a joke.

 

Outside that.... Twig?  A guy made of Twigs?  Why is the pastor with the grandparents?  What's with the spelling... and why does the kid know racist streotypes?



HappySqurriel said:
The_vagabond7 said:
HappySqurriel said:
Rath said:
You also hit a major problem when you're comparing a belief system with a race.

When people say 'The world would be better off without evangelical Christianity', they don't mean 'fire up the furnaces'. They want people to stop believing in something that they think as a belief is harmful to society.

Its really a fallacious argument to try and make people who wish that a belief that they think is out-dated and harmful to go away look like they are trying to make a holocaust happen.

In the 1930s most people who were upset with the Jewish population in Europe were also not suggesting genocide, and a very intelligent and evil individual used them as scapegoats to promote his own agenda.

If you have a problem with a stance why wouldn't you argue against that stance rather than use stereotypes and prejudice to turn a group of people into scapegoats?

You do know that christians are the vast overwhelming majority compared to the non-religious right? And evengelical christians are saying the same thing about every other religion and the non-religious as well.


"Radical islam needs to be wiped out, gays need to get back in the closet, atheists are incapable of being moral....what did you just say about Evengelicals??? NOT FAIR! WHY IS EVERYONE ALWAYS PICKING ON US EVENGELICALS??!?!? IT'S JUST LIKE THE JEWS IN NAZI GERMANY, SOON WE'RE GOING TO BE PUT IN THE OVENS BY THIS...minority....wait, what? We vastly outnumber them? We have more politcal power, more money, and more influence? Well still, you can't talk like that about Jesus Followers!"

 

The entire notion that christianity needs protecting from these small minorites that have negative views about their beliefs is absurd. And arguments to try and make it seem wrong to crtisize an ideology are equally absurd.

You do realize that only a small subset of Christians are evangelical, and only a small subset of evangelical Christians make statements like the ones you’re associating with them. In fact, evangelical Christianity has been one of the fastest growing segments within Christianity primarily because it adopts more quickly to the times; and several branches within evangelical Christianity were some of the first to support gay marriage as an institution within their church.

Hey, but who cares about reality when you can be a bigot

Who cares about reality when you don't need to back up what you say with facts? Seriously, evangelical Christians were some of the first to back gay marriage? Mind supporting that with any kind of evidence? It doesn't make sense.

Kasz: Colbert, in real life, is a moderate. You obviously don't understand Colbert either.



 

 

So Rath... I take it that you take back your statements about American Healthcare then?

Or at the very least about Cancer mortality rates?

Since the US actually outperforms the UK in both that and Circuilatory diseases. The two biggest killers in regards to Healthcare?

Much better indicators then Infant mortality rates since we actually define Infant mortality more "loosley" then other countries that indicate a baby has to be a certain size, weight or fit some other criteria before it's considered a baby.