Oh bullcrap. Wow, everything I wrote except those first two words wasn't posted. Awesome. Basically, anyone who wants to put forth the effort can go to school. Many people don't want to put forth that effort, and people like you feel the need to make excuses for them. It's not always easy, but if someon wants to put forth the effort they can find a way to do it. Most people either don't want to put forth the effort, or they decided sex was more important and had children before they were ready. Even in that case you can still make it work if you put forth the effort, it's just harder. I know plently of people who have screwed up their lives, then turned it around and went to college. Stop making excuses for the lazy.

Yea, that reminded me of something I watched on TV a few years ago. When Katrina hit, there were reporters in New Orleans on the outskirts of the flood, and they were watching people pull others out of the waters. One man came by, and he stopped him to ask him some questions. This man had been spending the last 15 hours finding people, and carrying them to safety. He was headed back in to find another person.

The reporter asked the man if he himself was there when the flood started, and he said he was sleeping on his mattress that a friend let him put on his friends front porch, and saw the water coming.

And what ran though my mind, was here is an ultra poor man, who has done nothing to better his life, but when he has to act, he has the energy to pull people out of a flood for 15 hours.

Where is that motivation on a regular day? I bet if he needed to work, he would. He just doesn’t need to work. There are millions who would rather live the lifestyle they have, and bitch about what they don’t have, then put forth the effort to have more.

I don’t feel the least bit sorry for them.

So poverty all comes down to lazy ass people? My my.

A big part of me wants to make this my sig.

I thought you knew better than to think that anything is free.

Somebody is going to pay the cost. The hospital that treats that person for "free" has to pay for labour and supplies, and somebody is going to get the bill for that. If the government doesn't pick up the tab (socialism!), hospitals will have to raise the price they charge all their paying customers.

So does it really make a difference to you whether you pay higher insurance premiums to treat the poor or pay higher taxes? Of course, there's also the option to just not treat the poor at all...

On topic to this thread, these guys are doing a great job of justifying all the domestic wiretapping and other civil liberty restricting policies that Obama is perpetuating from the Bush administration. Good job, guys. Heaven forbid the paranoia levels drop off.

I'm sorry, but I absolutely refuse to believe this. There is ALWAYS FAFSA and community college. Everybody has the opportunity to go college. Not everybody has the ambition to do so. If you want something bad enough, you make it happen.

A wise man once said that there is a metastiasizing of this entitlement mentality. It used to be "What can I do for my country"...now it's "What can my country do for me?" and it's bullshit.

Government (federal, state, and local) is currently involved with about 50% of all medical care spending. THAT is the main problem. Government's role should be reduced, not increased. The U.S. still has the best medical care in the world, thanks to private enterprise creating so many new drugs and new procedures. Government takes away freedom and innovation....AND AMBITION. Government run so-called universal healthcare is NOT the answer. Insurance companies exist for one reason, to make money for thier stock-holders and they do that by forcing doctors and hospitals to take less and less for the services provided (which are over-inflated anyway) and by increasing our premiums year after year and by paying out less and less in coverage. raher than having the gov't create more bullshit beauracracy, force the insurance companies to cut into thier profits and actually pay what they are suppose to, force the healthcare industry to lower prices by at least HALF, and cap the amount that an insurance company can charge in premiums to what is payable by those in the lower income brackets and still allow them to survive, and grant tax breaks (i hate even saying this) to companies that offer insurance thats worth a damn to thier employees rather than for closing operations in the states and shipping the jobs overseas!

Buried in the Stimulus legislation passed earlier this year is funding for "Comparative Effectiveness Research". According to U.S. Representative Boustany, a heart surgeon, this will lead to the government "denying seniors and the disabled lifesaving care". Also buried in the Stimulus law signed by Obama 2/17/09 is a requirement that our medical records be entered into a data system, and your doctor will then be guided by "protocols" on what is "appropriate" and "cost-effective" care. Doctors who are not "meaningful users" of the system face financial penalties starting in 2014. This will affect Medicare and Medicaid patients first, and those who might still have private insurance later. Government will control what a doctor can do.

I wonder how ambulances will run under obamacare. Will abulance crews go in and check the database and see if they are allowed to do anything based on age or whatnot? 10 bucks says you'll see an increase in dispatching the rigs to go do "street treats" where they are doing house-call clinics, medics will probably be writing scripts for meds, computers will have to be on all the rigs (you tell me who's paying for them) that are tied into the national database, EMS services will be required to increase training, which brings up another point...given the state of the economy and how tight municipal budgets are, where is all the extra money for increased EMS training and equipment coming from? I see it doing a great disservice to the public by communities opting to disband their EMS programs due to increased costs vs revenues gained and it being a boon for private contractors who already put profits before patients anyway.

You show me a municipal run ambulance that will EVER refuse to treat someone or go a little outside the box to make a patient comfortable. They are few and far inbetween and why? Because they are employed directly by the people they serve. However, a contract ambulance can and will refuse to go above and beyond because its not in the company handbook.  What does a contract ambulance have to lose by refusing to "break the rules" and offering to transport someone who according to OBAMACARE should be "made comfortable" and basically left to die?

The system is broken, no doubt but at least we have choices in our health care. Support OBAMACARE and kiss your choices goodbye. you're over a certain age? Too bad, you're too old for a transplant or chemo, same if you have multi-system problems. There's an experimental cancer treatment that may save your kid? Too bad, hopefully you're young enough and can have more kids. you don't agree with the doctors diagnosis? tuff, he's teh doctor and he and some suit with ZERO medical experience make the decisions...just what I want, a bunch of Frank Burns's treating me and making decisions about what i can and can't have for healthcare. Picture your worst HMO and multiply it 10 times...thats universal healthcare.

In obama's june infomercial when asked if he would have allowed a pace maker to be given to a 100 year old lady who needed it and it has extended her life 5 years he said he would tell her to take pain pills. When costs get too high it will be the elderly who suffer first. If there is confusion and misinformation then let Obama point out the specific pages in the bill that refute them. He can't. All the misinformation is coming from him because all this stuff is in the bill. Have you read it? I have read some of it and it's scary. Did you know the government will be coming into your home and telling you how to raise your kids? It starts on page 842.

Every user from north america that reads this, I urge you to read the bill: http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf

I urge you to because the people in power aren't reading it. At all. They just want to pass the fucker and gain more control for themselves.

Not lazy, just not willing to put in the effort to have worth. Not the same thing.

Now some put in the effort, and are still poor. THis is to a failing in government. The way you fix it, is to create a society where the only people who are poor, are there due to their own actions.

If of the millions who are poor, 10% of them are poor because government did not break down barriers (like they were denied an education due to color, or a job because they were a woman for example), then it’s the governments job to fix these injustices.

These are the failings in government I want fixed. Not the stealing of effort from one group of people, to give it to another group.

In a perfect world, you would still have poor people. It’s just 100% of those poor people were poor due to their choices. America is very close to being there, but we have a little ways to go.

     Of course if Bush had sent in disastrer relief workers much quicker than he did because the disaster was occurring mainly to poor colored people, then there wouldn't have had to have been so many people having to be pulled from the flood waters.

     Almost no one is poor due to their choices.  Most people that are poor were born into poor environments and have never really had a chance to better themselves.  Sure, a few people like Oprah get lucky, but when you have status quos in place at most jobs even fast food restaurants that ensure that only a few people regardless of work output due to favoritism, etc, ever reach the lofty role of restaurant manager, then poorer people never really have a chance to move ahead.  What is a quarter here and there to minimum wage ever really going to do to better their lives especially when with every increase to minimum wage stores start charging more for their goods?

     The only people who never really get ahead due to their own actions are probably drug addicts and criminals.  Still people that become drug addicts and criminals often do so because of the environments they grew up in or their socio-economic conditions, and even then this society always wants to say that almost everyone deserves a second chance, and judges never convict those people that are guilty of misdemeanors to lives as penniless paupers, but second chances are actually harder to come by than they are supposed to be which continues the cycle of criminal activity in many cases.