if you watch the film sicko some startling truths come to light
http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/checkup/

Michael Moore movies don't have any "Truths" in them, they're full of half-truths and outright lies; and the movies could best be described as propaganda for his political agenda. He cherry picks facts that support his position from a variety of sources, and then he ignores facts from these sources which disagree with his conclusions.

Does his movie demonstrate that 14% of Canadians have been unsuccessful in finding a family doctor because of the critical doctor shortage in Canada?

Does his movie demonstrate that waiting lists for major surgery are so bad in Canada that often Canadians travel to the United States and pay out of pocket to have their surgeries done in a timely fashion? Does it mention that a medical tourism industry formed in India which specifically targets Canadian patients as a lower cost alternative to traveling to the United States to get surgery in a timely fashion?

Does his moive discuss the cases of people dying from appendicitis after waiting hours in the emergency room without being seen by a doctor because of how long wait times were?

Does Michael Moore talk about how Canadians (in general) are more dissatisfied with their medical system than Americans are, and want reform to their system to make it function well?

Now, if you look at (pretty much) every medical system around the world you will notice a pattern that the quality, cost or access to healthcare has become dramatically worse over the past couple of decades because the cost of delivering healthcare has skyrocketed in every country; and public systems compensate by reducing the number of services they perform, which results in waiting lists and rationing. With this in mind, why is the discussion always surrounding who should pay or how fair/unfair certain systems are ... If someone was capable of re-creating a medical system as large and complicated as the American system, they should be able to list the top 10 things that are driving up the cost of healthcare and have multiple ways to manage those costs to bring healthcare costs down.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8201711.stm

I think thats an interesting few facts to look at.

Does look pretty positive for the US outside of Infant mortality.

What out of pocket spending being so low.

I don't know why people keep posting stats though that largely are pointless like life expecatancy.  Which doesn't control for murder rates and other such things vs survival rates which look bad for other countries, and mortality rates for those older which... also looks back for other countries.

I mean another similar stat is crude death rate.

Where the UK has 10 deaths per 1000 people vs 8 deaths per 1000 per year.

More people per year in the UK die every year per capita.  DESPITE having lower murder rates, lower prison rates and a number of other such things.

did you actually look at the link?
There are sources to back up his statements.

Where are all these facts your getting from?

btw..

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/the-brutal-truth-about-americarsquos-healthcare-1772580.html

Except... California is partly in the state it's in because of EXCESSIVE healthcare coverage. 

Are you aware of the concept of cherry picking?

People who are cherry picking do not make up facts, they just go around to a variety of sources and take the facts which support their position while ignoring facts that disagree with their position.

Essentially, suppose there were two schools and one school had above average performance in history and poor performance in all other subjects while the other shcool had excellent performance in all subjects except for history, where the performance was average. If a cherry picker wanted to claim that the first school was better than the second school they would cite history performance to support their claim while omitting all other performance.

Michael Moore is well known for manipulating facts, and he will do everything in his power to create a false image of what he wants you to believe; and it is very easy to manipulate facts when using a movie. For example, if you want to demonstrate that the waiting times at Emergency rooms are not as bad as people claim in the Canadian system you could choose the least loaded hospital and visit it on the least busy day of the week at the least busy time of the day every week for several weeks until you had footage of a very quiet ER; and the audience of your movie would never be aware of the times you walked into the ER at this quiet hospital, on this quiet day at the quietest time of the day, and saw a man with a compound fracture that had been waiting for 4 hours to see a doctor.

You know full well that crude death rate is only a decent mechanism for telling if a society is getting relatively younger or older.

I don't know how you can say it looks good for the US outside of infant mortality, the only one that looks good is out of pocket expenditure and even that being a stupid statistic without actually knowing private expenditure per capita. The real interesting ones to me were infant mortality (which is one of the key tests of a health system) and expenditure per capita. The combination of those two shows that the US health system is actually broken - you are spending a lot of money and have a worse infant mortality rate.

And Life Expectancy isn't a good sign of ANYTHING.

Infant mortality is only one indicator of MANY.

While Per Capita is largely a federal government problem. 

The federal government is why Healthcare is broken.

I mean the Healthcare industry is one of the biggest vehicles for both Republicans and Democrats to get elected.  Both parties are full up on their money.

Unless we have election campaign reform... universal healthcare will equal a ridiculious waste who's prices will skyrocket well beyond what they are even at now.

The less our government is involved in healthcare the better.

Not only is this going to bankrupt our nation if it passes. This UNIVERSAL NIGHTMARE will institute bureaucrat run death panels for our grandmas.