@Alterego-X
Instead of spewing random bullshit. Why not admit taking software content without consent is theft.
As for your specific lawyer like examples....
rape - yes
kidnapping - yes
no santa - no, can't steal a lie in the first place
phone number = yes, identity theft O.o
regaining your stolen stuff = no, that's simply reclaiming your property.
| superchunk said: Oh for the love of god. I understand the idea of one person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. That in no way fits with this topic. The killing someone in defense (which is war as well for each sides point of view) is not murder as it is defending your life or the life of your family. Stealing food is along the same lines, its a grey area where most people would probably let it go as its life or death. However, stealing software for entertainment is not anywhere near the same thing. |
No, it's not nearly as dramatic, or vital, but the law is always morally subjective, with few exceptions (rape is one exception), but piracy for anything is not
Do you know how insane actual copyright laws are?
If you go sing a song down the street that you heard on the radio for over 30 seconds, or alter it to the artist's dissatisfaction, you are committing copyright infringement.
If you write down a song's lyrics and show it to a friend, you are committing copyright infringement.
If you have ever looked up a song on youtube (Many people have), you are committing copyright infringement.
If you ever tapes a show on TV onto a VHS, you are committing copyright infringement.
If you've ever downloaded and mp3 from a file-sharing site, you are committing copyright infringement.
If you rip songs from CD's into iTunes, you are committing copyright infringement.
If you record tapes of your radio station, you are committing copyright infringement.
Your avatar is copyright infringement.
Everyone on this site has either knowingly or unknowingly performed some act of copyright infringement, without fail. It's just that no-one cares enough to do anything about it. It is therefore hippocritical, and most definitely wrong to, even if you consider it wrong when others don't, to criticize others for doing so.
Alterego-X said:
Apparently, rape is theft, kidnapping is theft, telling a child that there is no Santa is theft (take away the belief), you getting my phone number behind my back is theft, and taking back your own posession from thieves is theft. |
| superchunk said: @Alterego-X Instead of spewing random bullshit. Why not admit taking software content without consent is theft. As for your specific lawyer like examples.... rape - yes kidnapping - yes no santa - no, can't steal a lie in the first place phone number = yes, identity theft O.o regaining your stolen stuff = no, that's simply reclaiming your property. |
So you've clearly never studied the law in the least bit. Head's up - neither rape nor kidnapping is theft by any legal definition. For something to be theft, personal property has to be taken. A person is not property, nor is the sanctity of their genitelia. Also, because nothing is taken, piracy is not theft. These things may all be crimes, but not one of them is theft. Taking your stuff back from thieves, however, can be theft, while getting someone's phone number in and of itself is not even remotely identity theft. You actually have to use the information to imitate the person for it to be identity theft.
Please, for the love of god, please go learn about these things before you continue to spout nonsense.
You do not have the right to never be offended.
L.C.E.C. said:
No, it's not nearly as dramatic, or vital, but the law is always morally subjective, with few exceptions (rape is one exception), but piracy for anything is not Do you know how insane actual copyright laws are? If you go sing a song down the street that you heard on the radio for over 30 seconds, or alter it to the artist's dissatisfaction, you are committing copyright infringement. Everyone on this site has either knowingly or unknowingly performed some act of copyright infringement, without fail. It's just that no-one cares enough to do anything about it. It is therefore hippocritical, and most definitely wrong to, even if you consider it wrong when others don't, to criticize others for doing so. |
Exactly. I tried to point this out earlier.
For the most part, I agree with that too. Its easily a kettle calling the frying pan black situation
KylieDog said:
Wrong.
I once researched the law relating this this many years ago. You are legally allowed to record songs or TV shows/movies from TV. However law states you are only allowed to watch them from the recording once, after that you are meant to record over them or wipe the tape. |
That changed about 3 years ago: http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking/new-laws-to-limit-use-of-tv-recording/2006/05/14/1147545211338.html, before it was completely illegal... (and it still makes .wav's illegal to rip from CD's, but not mp3's, ect, and made DVD-Ripping illegal as well) Anyway, there are still more that can be added to the list. You still get my point. Everyone on this site has done one of the things on the list (and maybe one of the two things in that quote when they were illegal), and it is hippocritical.
Man you guys are killing in trying to force the legal nitty gritty of lawyer definitions for everything.
That is not what's at stake here. I know that *technically* its copyright infringement. I know the world's courts don't call it theft.
In the end its the same thing under a different label. You are taking content (iso) of which you have no legal right to obtain. That is theft, plain and simple.
So please quit with the off topic analogies to try to force a square into a round hole.
But you're not taking the content, you are copying it. If Joe Bob puts a copy of Mass Effect on a torrent and Jim Bob downloads it Joe Bob still has his copy. It's not taken, it's duplicated. A crime, perhaps, but not theft in any way. If someone in Brazil buys every 360 for $30 no one lost anything at all. The companies making the games can't even claim they lost a sale since the person in question almost certainly wouldn't have been able to afford it anyway. For theft you need to have lost something. In piracy there's just more of something. Really it's more like counterfeiting, which is also not theft.
You do not have the right to never be offended.
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superchunk said: Why not? A lie, a belief, or a thought is not more ore less obscure than an "intellectual property". All of them are metaphysical concepts. phone number = yes, identity theft O.o
No, as others pointed out, it is public domain, you would have to actually pretend to be me for identity theft. regaining your stolen stuff = no, that's simply reclaiming your property. And what if the thiefs considers it their property, for some reason? You are still taking it away without the thieves consent, that is, actually illegal unless you prove in frnt of the law that it eas your stuff, before you take it. Unless theft is proven, it is the legal property of the current owner. The current owner's lack of moral right for that object, makes it right for you to take it away without their consent? If yes, why I can't have the right to """take away""" my copy of a game, if I don't believe in the current copyright laws?
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@Alterego-X: OJ Simpson would have sided against you on that one... but he lost, lolz.
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